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Lorenzo Stoakes
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Saw a bit of a video where somebody did the 'Linus is mean but that is why Linux is good quality' thing that a lot of people believe and not sure my eyes could roll any further.
Like do you guys think Linus controls every bit of code going in?
Do you think the sweary emails he used to send are representative? And even at his worse, who did he send them to? And how often?
The desire to excuse arseholeness by people who quote memeable stuff with usually zero understanding of the discussion is just so fucking frustrating.
How about asking people actually involved in the kernel? There's a kind of bloody arrogance with it that somebody reads a couple of these (from *checks notes* 11 years ago) and speaks as if they're an authortiy.
You're fucking not, shut up.
Like do you guys think Linus controls every bit of code going in?
Do you think the sweary emails he used to send are representative? And even at his worse, who did he send them to? And how often?
The desire to excuse arseholeness by people who quote memeable stuff with usually zero understanding of the discussion is just so fucking frustrating.
How about asking people actually involved in the kernel? There's a kind of bloody arrogance with it that somebody reads a couple of these (from *checks notes* 11 years ago) and speaks as if they're an authortiy.
You're fucking not, shut up.
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being picky about quality IS part of kernel culture, it does vary quite a bit (some parts of the kernel are much better than others), and it did originate from Linus, but most interactions with Linus are perfectly civil.
If you stop fucking confirmation biasing and look at his usual interactions (oh whoops - that'd require actual understanding of what's being discussed) you'd see that it's usually civil but with the same adherence to caring about quality at least to a reasonable degree that is a part of the culture.
Comparing it to software where there is literally no attempt whatsoever to control quality and saying 'because Linus is an arsehole based on .01% of his emails' is you know - fucking stupid really isn't it? It's just not true.
But you don't get to sound as 'special' if you say this kind of thing. If you say 'yes yes look at this cherry picked email - this is how linux is and that's why the code isn't as awful as [insert random project here]'.
No. Shut up.
If you stop fucking confirmation biasing and look at his usual interactions (oh whoops - that'd require actual understanding of what's being discussed) you'd see that it's usually civil but with the same adherence to caring about quality at least to a reasonable degree that is a part of the culture.
Comparing it to software where there is literally no attempt whatsoever to control quality and saying 'because Linus is an arsehole based on .01% of his emails' is you know - fucking stupid really isn't it? It's just not true.
But you don't get to sound as 'special' if you say this kind of thing. If you say 'yes yes look at this cherry picked email - this is how linux is and that's why the code isn't as awful as [insert random project here]'.
No. Shut up.
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It's worse when you get idiots who DO know better perpetuating these kinds of things for their own purposes.
As usual, think for YOURSELF. Question authority.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH6mKLqe4Yc
As usual, think for YOURSELF. Question authority.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH6mKLqe4Yc
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