What if the orange menace decides tomorrow that Europe should no langer have access to MS, Google, Apple, etc servers?

We would be right back in computer stone age and our economy down to zero...

@dec_hl I'd worry more about not having android or apple phones working.

The backend stuff is easy. It's embedded and mobile that are hard. China controls much of the EU's embedded stuff, and the US the mobile side.

@etchedpixels @dec_hl

Linux works for me and for many others. Maybe it'll cause a Linux revolution?

As for phones... There are other OSs for phones than Android and iOS. With such a large market being denied Android/iOS alternatives would rapidly appear.

@BritishTechGuru @etchedpixels fast enough to safe the economy?

And big corps can't change from win to linux in days or weeks!

even if there are enough developers driving the change, you often need certifications?

what about utility companies? will they be able to provide power, water, etc if the infrastructure goes down?

@dec_hl @BritishTechGuru For servers probably yes. Might mess up billing but that only upsets the shareholders.
The actually utility supply ecosystem though seems to be horribly vulnerable in places. A lot of battery and solar systems including entire solar farms are essentially run from cloud backends located in China.

Guess why my battery backup and solar system isn't internet connected.

@dec_hl I use this apparatus called "computer" for accessing Internet, and my email provider is within the borders of Finland: https://www.kapsi.fi/english.html.

I'm not sure I fully grabbed the economy part of this, despite the difficulties and unfortunate economic consequences. How do you even zero out economy?

@jarkko smartphones need google/apple server to operate. they are gone, no smartphones.

corps use ms365 and US cloud services, they are gone. The cloud hosted XLS of the orders, the supplier, all gone. You can;t even read a DOC anymore.

US does not route European internet traffic anymore or resolves DNS queries. Will your Finnish internet still work?

How does your "computer" get software or updates when the servers of the Linux distributions are gone?

@dec_hl I don't know how that would be executed in practice. It's not as trivial as you make it sound tbh.

Smartphones, within limits, I can imagine how execute that. I get that part (at least in some level).

Being Dr. Evil is not as trivial at the scale you are projecting it. It would be an accomplishment in my books.

I was not amazed e.g. how tariffs were executed. Why put tariffs in parallel when Trump could have scattered them within a timeline? That would have kept market in speculative paralysis state.

Now the market will reform and restructure more and more outside the borders of US. In the current time quantum it is worst possible situation outside US, and longer it takes, it will be worse for US.

Not played well, so based on that, I don't believe this fully.

@dec_hl @jarkko Quite agree. Without AWS and M$ access my uni might as well close down. We all saw the disruption Crowdstrike caused and that affected a tiny slice of corporate IT infra.

@eLearningTechie @dec_hl Even without this, universities really should have their own servers to be honest.

It was like that before, for better.

That at least I would count as +1.

@eLearningTechie @jarkko yeah, or the swift(?) outage that disrupted payment.

@dec_hl @eLearningTechie SWIFT would be a lost cause then. Or soon like something that is a local payment system within the US borders :-)

Possible agreed, but not likely.

@jarkko Trust me, I have been moaning about this for a very very long time. To no avail. But I won't shut up about it.

@eLearningTechie Good! I salute to that :-)

@jarkko It's all we can do right now. Promote and support open source solutions wherever possible and be the sticky cog in the machine at every opportunity.

@dec_hl @eLearningTechie

I just live by these rules in all scenarios:

1. There is a situation.
2. I figure out the AR's.
3. I do my best with varying success rate (I'm pretty good at fucking things up too sometimes).

That is not same as being ignorant. If there is something that I can prepare based on actual evidence, I will.

Future is fucking hard to predict anyhow. All I can say: don't panic.

Speculaversum is just not my cup of tea. Neither judging nor saying that my thoughts are better than anyone else's but this just works for me, and keeps me going.

If the shit blows up, then the shit blows up.

Don't panic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWxISwEBU0U