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Jonathan Corbet

The Wayback Machine managed to capture a Linux Journal article about the Arch Linux distribution's plan to switch to "rye-init" before whatever human intelligence remains there figured out that "rye-init" does not actually exist.

The Linux Journal predates LWN by some years and was, for a long time, the definitive read for Linux users. The Don Marti ( @dmarti ) years were especially noteworthy. It is sad to see where it has ended up now.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250618001301/https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/arch-linux-breaks-new-ground-official-rust-init-system-support-arrives
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@corbet Is it some LLM joke? The [community] repo doesn't even exist anymore for quite some time already.

@dmarti

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@corbet @dmarti Still a better choice than systemd? πŸ˜‚

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@corbet @dmarti the style of the article is pretty obviously LLM slop

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@corbet @dmarti if there should ever be an example of a horrible ChatGPT generated article, this is it.

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@corbet @dmarti **> **Arch Linux has long been revered in the Linux community for its minimalist design, *rolling release model*, and **cutting-edge technology adoption...**
> including buffer overflows, *null pointer dereferences*, and **use-after-free errors...**
**>**the project matured quickly thanks to the Rust ecosystem’s rich tooling, *comprehensive tests*, and **contributions from seasoned developers...**
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My new "rule of 3": if you hit 3 or more instances of the "rule of 3" in 3 or fewer paragraphs, it's either an ad or it was written by an LLM.

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Thom, π“‡‹π“π“ˆ–π“‡³π“…œπ“π“ˆ–

@oleksandr @corbet @dmarti@federate.social This is some wild stuff. Wtf is going on here? Just "AI" faking it?

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@corbet @dmarti How are the mighty fallen... 😭

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@corbet @dmarti
I thought "rye-init" was slang for trying to setup Arch while drunk on rye whisky?

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@corbet those weren't just the Don Marti years...LJ had an amazing core editorial team including Jill Franklin and Heather Mead, and Garrick Antikajian as art director -- and of course all the columnists and contributors who brought a variety of points of view (it turns out that not all magazines work like the one in "The Devil Wears Prada")

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@corbet @dmarti

"The Rust init system officially adopted by Arch is named rye-init (or a similar name, "
Or A SiMiLAr NaMe?!

this init system is SystemB or something. Just install something from the aur that sounds right im sure you'll be fine.

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Bhushan Shah πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈπŸ€–πŸ‘€πŸ“±

@corbet @dmarti vibe-initing

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@corbet @dmarti I was looking around to see if this was similar to a WoW situation where a bunch of redditors convinced journalists that there was a new NPC called Glorbo added to the game but whilist there is an init function in a project called rye, that seems to be as far as I can go with this. The rest is entirely made up, most likely by AI.

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@BrodieOnLinux @corbet @dmarti

>The Rust init system officially adopted by Arch is named rye-init (or a similar name, depending on upstream branding)

Sentences no human would come up with. ;)

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Daniel P. BerrangΓ© πŸ“· 🎨 πŸ”­ πŸ“‘

@corbet @dmarti so whatever LLM they used, discovered the "rye" project (some kind of python project workflow support tools?) whose command line tool includes an "init" command (https://rye.astral.sh/guide/commands/init/) and then thoroughly confused itself. I don't know what's more awful, the complete garbage the LLM spat out, or the complete lack of any human validation before publishing 😞

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@corbet @dmarti
They can't fool me. Linux Journal no longer exists, despite new supposed articles appearing on their web site.
When they folded the print operation and went online only, it was a sad day, and it was clear that they were dead. Has any useful magazine or journal ever done that _without_ turning to shit? All of the useful online periodicals I'm aware of his
Got their start in that form. LWN is a shining example.

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@corbet @dmarti Already smelled something wrong when someone first sent me this, they thought it was real because it showed up on their news feed and sent it without even fact checking.

They just Pi-holed the website.

BTW, they've been taken over by /.: https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication-awkward-goodbye

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@corbet @dmarti and now one of the first results for "rye-init" on ddg is a french translation of this article that is still up πŸ˜†

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@corbet @dmarti it would be less sad if the url said 20250401, but it doesn't :(

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@brouhaha @corbet The new Teen Vogue is online-only and has leveled up their content, but it's rare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Vogue

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@corbet
And thanks to that horrible AI slob article I found out the parent company of the linux journal also owns sourceforge....

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@corbet @dmarti the community repository hasn’t existed in like 2+ years!

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