If anyone still wonders if they should buy #OnePlus: No. You should not.

They've now put a hardware-based anti-rollback feature in place that, if you try to roll back (f.e. to install a custom ROM without Google spyware or because of some other issue) your device will be hard bricked, irreparably.
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Oneplus_phone_update_introduces_hardware_anti-rollback

They're worsening for years now, this is just the newest addition of crap they pull.
#enshittification

@Natanox Actually, yes, you should buy #OnePlus 6. It is very well supported phone by mainline kernel, and they are getting real cheap now. You may want to avoid anything newer than that :-).

@pavel Doesn't that one also have an AMOLED? My OnePlus 7 Pro got one and by now it got the most horrible burn-ins.

Right now I'm considering a Jolla device (SailfishOS) as daily driver once my current one breaks.

@Natanox Should be OLED, yes. But no, I did not notice any burn-in.

Sailfish is non-free, so it is not on my lists.

OnePlus 6's biggest problem is that it is ... too big :-).

@pavel Huh? https://docs.sailfishos.org/Services/Development/Sailfish_OS_Source/

@pavel @Natanox the ui is made with a closed source library that you must use.

@kura @pavel Aaaand my interest for their devices just went kapoof.

@Natanox @kura @pavel I wonder why there is such a compatibility difference between sailfish and postmarket, can't they just release/upstream the drivers for a port? Afaik, there are no blackbox blobs in postmarket.

@Natanox
Thanks. I once proudly owned a OnePlus One. Now that company is on my shitlist. And that is permanent. Samsung is on my shitlist since 2011 and I hold that up even today, 15 years later.

@momo Keep holding that up, Samsung Smartphones are utterly awful.

@Natanox
I can tell you stories about samsung hard disks, SSDs, printers, DVD players, TVs and laptops. Most of them from own experience. I learned that Samsung is korean for "3 Stars". Probably 3 out of 5...

@momo @Natanox 3 out of 10 with some products. Definitely for the length of the Android update process compared to GrapheneOS or even vanilla Pixel.

@ozzelot @momo Don't blame them! They have to squeeze all the new system apps in there. Like Facebook, TikTok, Copilot, Gemini, Candy Crush, WhatsApp, Twitter…

…Actually, blame them.

@Natanox
Oh yeah, I was setting a few up (company devices) and the steps I had to take to tell them not to install Temu and Monopoly Go and a lot of other shit were... annoying at best.
@momo

@Natanox
I have one issued as well. Disabled whatever googleshit I could on it (I luckily do not need any of it at work) and use it for work calls (redirection from internal IP phone) and other work stuff I don't want on other devices - not on a technical level, just that I am aware brains are bad at separating contexts on one device.
@momo

@Natanox
I could very theoretically stick the work SIM into a UBPorts (etc.) phone and accomplish all the same things.
@momo

@Natanox @kura Yeah, so... More competition in phone space is good and Sailfish OS is closer to normal distribution than Android. But not being less open source then Android is show stopper for me. (Plus, they work with downstream kernels, similar to Android).

@Nicro @Natanox @kura Yes, SailfishOS could run on more devices with some effort. But they are tying to make money...

@pavel @Natanox @kura My point was more, that it should be relatively easy to run postmarket on Jolla phones, replacing sailfish.

@Nicro @Natanox @kura Not really. Sailfish is as bad as Android -- they tend to run downstream kernels AFAICT. That makes working with them hard.

Porting required patched from downstream to upstream is significant work... (And you can probably get better price/performance with an Android phone).

Take a look at Fairphone -- they are doing right thing and actually working to support their phones upstream.

@pavel @Nicro @kura It seems really unnecessary. If they did things right their adoption in the wider FOSS community would surely skyrocket.

Already wondered why I didn't see anything about them (or they themselves) at 39C3… at least they seem to be somewhat aware of their shortcomings.
https://techhub.social/@jolla/115146085028346293

@Natanox @Nicro @kura I'm afraid that any kind of skyrocketing in phone area is hard.

I'd like free software to skyrocket on phones, but simply free software does not seem to be enough in that area.