Trump's new order says everyone's gender is now based on "the sexual reproductive cells you could produce at conception".

At conception, the zygote cannot make *any* reproductive cells, so technically no one has any gender at all anymore.

You're welcome.

#Trump #trans #transgender #lgbt #lgbtq #gender

@ErisCaffee this would solve so many problems. No more legal gender. Do wtf you want.

@ErisCaffee It does not say that. The exact phrasing is:

(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.

(e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

@mart_brooks @ErisCaffee How does anyone "belong" to a sex at conception? The only interpretation I can give to this is chromosome gender. But then what about people with a faulty SRY gene who are XY but are born female?

The "only 2 sexes" idea just sets up two procrustean beds: you have to fit in one or the other, and anything that doesn't fit gets cut off.

@mart_brooks

True, but a good joke had to be made or else I'd be sitting here stewing impotently in rage. This is something that directly affects me, after all. I know that I need to fight against this, but for my own sanity I also need to keep myself from becoming morosely negative and I also think it's important to mock Trump and his cronies for this and everything else. They absolutely can't stand being mocked. Witness how they reacted to being called "weird" during the election.

@tokensane @ErisCaffee Please feel free to provide a link to a peer-reviewed paper that demonstrates the existence of a human sex that isn't male or female. I'll wait.

@mart_brooks

I've removed the quotation marks since that wasn't actually a quote.

@mart_brooks @ErisCaffee I wonder where people who have both XX and XY cells at birth fit in all this?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18000096/

@mart_brooks @tokensane @ErisCaffee here's a whole list of papers https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Intersex

@akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee And which specific one demonstrates the existence of a human sex that isn't male or female?

@mart_brooks @ErisCaffee large reproductive cell? WTF does that mean? The guy truly is a moron!

@mart_brooks
Oh, you're just a bigot.

Friends, this guy is just parroting nonsensical transphobic gotchas. Don't indulge him, he's not here in good faith.
@akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee

@tokensane @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee

And xxy, xxxy and so on.

@mart_brooks @SallyStrange @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee

Also some casual Nazi apologia in there.

@tokensane @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee @NoahLoren13 I mean, yeah, there are lots of Trans scientists and LGBT scientists who have already pointed it out, but sadly there are people who can't even make a Google Scholar search regarding such matters. Except when it's for attack socialism/communism/leftism/progressivism/Anarchism because they'll be able to go even to the deepweb/darknet for get resources/sources for "discredit" the left lmao

@ErisCaffee You must do you, but I don't think making claims that are trivially demonstrable as being untrue will help you, or anyone else.

@ErisCaffee @mart_brooks @NoahLoren13 I mean, yeah, there are lots of Trans scientists and LGBT scientists who have already pointed it out, but sadly there are people who can't even make a Google Scholar search regarding such matters. Except when it's for attack socialism/communism/leftism/progressivism/Anarchism because they'll be able to go even to the deepweb/darknet for get resources/sources for "discredit" the left lmao

@mart_brooks @tokensane @ErisCaffee @NoahLoren13 aren't you able to dig for a source/resource dunking on the left? So why can't you do that by your own lmao

For real, Internet Rightists shouldn't even be taken seriously since they're so unserious and they can't even make a Google search at all unless it's for discredit the left ofc.

@mart_brooks @tokensane @ErisCaffee your mom is thoroughly peer reviewed and studied and pretty clearly shows that shut the fuck up nerd

@mart_brooks @tokensane @ErisCaffee How do you scientifically demonstrate a category exists? A category is an abstract idea existing in a human mind, not a phenomenon. How would science validate a category as “existing”? Science could use a category as part of a theory, which demonstrates it’s to some extent a useful model of reality, but that’s distinct from “existence”.

@mart_brooks @tokensane @ErisCaffee

Show me a peer reviewed paper that defines only male and female.

The ones you want showing were burned by the Nazis in 1933.

@mart_brooks come closer, i'll show you with my boot six inches down your throat.

@mart_brooks @ErisCaffee The problem isn't the two beds, its Procrustes with his axe ready to chop off anything that doesn't fit. Most people fit fairly comfortably into either "male" or "female", so that makes them useful categories. The problem comes when you try to force everyone to fit exactly into one of them. Go read the Wikipedia article on intersex, and then consider that some people's brain wiring might be intersex too.

@Jirikiha
That sounds suspiciously like science talk

@mart_brooks @ErisCaffee

@mart_brooks @tokensane @ErisCaffee I did the assignment. You do the reading.

@Jirikiha @ErisCaffee If you mean people with DSDs, then they are all either male or female too. Glad I could help you with that.

@mart_brooks @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee is reading too hard for your bigot moron brain ? Just asking cause your phenotype is 100% white retard.

@mart_brooks

Do you count all the intersex people as either male or female then, regardless of their genetics or phenotype? Or is that not what you mean to imply?

@allynkhine @ErisCaffee that’ll be a human egg, which is about 10,000 times larger than its male counterpart, the sperm cell. Hence “large”.

@mart_brooks @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee Did you even read them all? 😂 “science, evidence, facts” my ass.

@SallyStrange @mart_brooks @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee bruh his profile is such obvious bait

@SallyStrange @mart_brooks @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee
Oh look. He's a sea lion.

@SallyStrange @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee also a single-user instance - so mastod.no is probably worth a #FediBlock all of its own

@SallyStrange Thanks. I blocked that bigot.

@mart_brooks

Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, making claims that are trivially demonstrable as being untrue is exactly how Trump has won election to the Presidency twice.

@caitp @tokensane @ErisCaffee It's like the spirit of Oscar Wilde has returned from The Other Side and is _right here in the room with me_.

I'll take your descent into playground insults to mean that you have no actual substansive argument to offer.

Still, it was nice of you to try.

@janef0421 set theory. That is how you prove categories.

@janef0421 @mart_brooks@mastod.no @tokensane @ErisCaffee

In UX there's a standard experiment where you get people people to arrange physical things (i.e. photographic prints, printed documents, etc) into groups (categories), then ask them to explain what these groups are, and then use this for arranging / presenting digital equivalents.

@AlexanderVI @Jirikiha @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee It's almost like biology is more complicated than that.

@joel_falcou @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee Schoolground insults mean so much more to me when they come from someone with a PhD.

Can you really not do any better?

@unchartedworlds yes, because they are. There is no third option in a sexually dimorphic species.

@mart_brooks @Jirikiha @ErisCaffee Gee thanks, professor

https://youtu.be/kT0HJkr1jj4?si=8_pnM26xS1tXzoQZ

@ErisCaffee Yep. Just how bad a job did the democrats do to have been crushingly defeated by _that_, right?

@ErisCaffee @mart_brooks @NoahLoren13 Yeah, I mean, people will say that high school biology justifies transphobia and LGBTphobia yet they won't accept that by this logic high school sociology and high school liberal theory justifies civil disobedience and civil resistance lmao

@Thebratdragon I don’t think so. How can math solve a problem of pure philosophy?

@stuartyeates @tokensane @ErisCaffee I think you’re missing the distinction between “useful” and “existing”.

@ravenbait @Jirikiha @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee
One very much gets that impression

@mart_brooks @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee no cause you are as I said a complete retard. So take your sealioning elsewhere and stfu

@mart_brooks

They've always been good at shooting their own feet.

@janef0421 look up who wrote the principia mathematica, then come back.

@AlexanderVI @Jirikiha @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee Who would have thought? It's not like biologists and endocrinologists have been spreading rumours for years or anything.

@janef0421 @tokensane @ErisCaffee

Once someone verbalises it, it exists in their verbalisation.

@joel_falcou @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee

Thanks for confirming that you can't do any better. I rather suspected that might be the case, but it's good to be sure.

@ErisCaffee No argument from me there.

@ErisCaffee @mart_brooks @NoahLoren13 at least people using of "science" and "biology" for justify transphobia and LGBTphobia opens space for people to use of social sciences and liberal theory for justify civil disobedience and civil resistance lmao

Yeah, Democrats are 99% Neoliberal Fascist, indeed.

At this point I hope Trump will turn the USA into the "Western World Russian Federation" lmao

@Thebratdragon I don’t follow you at al.

@stuartyeates @tokensane @ErisCaffee Fair enough, it is reasonable to say a category “exists” as an idea if someone believes in it, because thought is a part of reality. But something existing as an idea in a mind is distinct from it existing as a concrete phenomena beyond the mind.

@ravenbait

So who's going to start registering every baby on the maternity ward female? Seems that might bring matters to a head.

@Jirikiha @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee

@mart_brooks @ErisCaffee
Bullshit. Hate won. Stupidity won. Misogyny won. Racism won.

@janef0421 try doing as I suggested, it is a self revealing answer.

@mart_brooks @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee drag your bigot ass elsewhere.

@janef0421 @tokensane @ErisCaffee

I think it's reasonable only as soon as someone externalises that belief in some way.

@AlexanderVI That seems to be the legally necessary thing to do. I'm not sure the "do not obey in advance" instruction applies in this case.

@Jirikiha @mart_brooks @ErisCaffee

@joel_falcou @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee

Make me.

@Thebratdragon Are you proposing that Bertrand Russell and his co-author resolved the complex philosophical question of the distinction between conceptualisation and phenomena, in such a way that concepts may be reasonably treated as equivalent to phenomena, in a mathematical treatise?

I’m very skeptical of that.

@mart_brooks @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee you can't function as a normal human so what can I do except reiterating the fact your half ass retarded opinion is just fucking shit. So again, go fuck yourself elsewhere.

You and your ilk are fucking nazis.

@janef0421 you asked how did maths answer a philosophical question. I showed that 2 philosophers did so.

@joel_falcou @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee

You can do nothing, because you're utterly impotent.

Do you think the Université Paris-Saclay approves of its staff speaking in such a manner on social media?

@mart_brooks @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee I don't really give a shit.

@mivox @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee

You appear to be confused about how debates work. It's not up to me to provide evidence for the things you claim to be true: that's your job.

So, again, any single peer-reviewed paper describing a human sex that isn't male or female. Whenever you're ready.

@mart_brooks @mivox @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee

"Debate rules" are for trolls and assholes, peer review is a failed scam, and you are a particularly foul piece of shit and a Nazi apologist.

@ErisCaffee @RD4Anarchy @tokensane @mart_brooks @mivox @akamran

Debate me. DEBATE ME. I will die without the tiny dopamine hits. Please debate me.

@mart_brooks @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee My dude, you were provided a list of relevant papers. Our side did our part. We don’t have to walk you through it page by page.

@mivox

No, I was provided with a link to the search results for the word "intersex".

Call me Mister Picky, but that's not a link to a single peer-reviewed paper that describes a human sex that isn't male or female.

Don't worry, I wasn't actually expecting you to be able to do so but it''s interesting to see what new tactics people come up with to excuse themselves from being unable to do so.

Sorry to report that the "_you_ have to produce the thing I claim exists" tactic isn't new.

@mart_brooks

@mivox @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee

@mart_brooks I’m sorry you’re too lazy to actually read relevant research papers that would address exactly the confusion you seem to be suffering here, but when evidence is provided and you refuse to read it, you can’t also claim to give a fuck about evidence or facts or, especially, science. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bye now, Mr. Sealion. 👋

@inquiline @mart_brooks @akamran @tokensane @ErisCaffee In the extreme, right? 😂

@HeavenlyPossum @ErisCaffee @RD4Anarchy @tokensane @mart_brooks @akamran

@tokensane @mart_brooks @akamran @ErisCaffee @mivox @RD4Anarchy

Hey we’ve never met before but I have accosted you on the internet and NOW YOU MUST DEBATE ME according to the ancient laws.

@ErisCaffee @mart_brooks @Jirikiha

People who are born producing neither, or who lose their ability to produce either, are apparently sexless.