As promised, here is an interview with @ryanleesipes from #Thunderbird, on the whole #Mozilla and #Firefox terms of use situation.

We talk about why this had to happen, how Thunderbird will handle their own Terms of Use, what's happening at Mozilla, and what's changing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctg5QzSt5tg

@thelinuxEXP @ryanleesipes

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@thelinuxEXP @ryanleesipes

“Why this had to happen”? Well, that's certainly ominous and gaslight-y (because no, it didn't have to happen).

Will #Mozilla next be asserting the right to scrape and sell the contents of our emails as well?

#Thunderbird

@argv_minus_one @ryanleesipes It actually did have to happen, du to regulator pressures. How it was done isn’t good, IMO, but they did have to add terms of use.

@thelinuxEXP Great video! I just feel the whole thing has been very poorly communicated. What @ryanleesipes is doing here Mozilla should have been doing from the very beginning. We're a fairly big Firefox redistributor and there has been no communication towards us. And it does make people nervous here.

BTW is there any particular reason why the video is only 720p on PeerTube and 1080p on YouTube?

@sesivany @ryanleesipes No, it’s likely just because transcoding isn’t finished yet :)

@sesivany @thelinuxEXP that's a good call out Jiri. We should create some group that facilitates that communication. Are you volunteering for it?

@ryanleesipes @thelinuxEXP I wonder if the enterprise@mozilla.org mailing list could serve as a platform for the communication. I think all people interested in Firefox deployed in an enterprise environment are there. Someone posted a question about it yesterday. But no communication from Mozilla.

@sesivany @thelinuxEXP @ryanleesipes It has also been very poorly communicated by the wider community by making the usual not so useful noise in aiding to understand what's actually happening.

@auser @thelinuxEXP @ryanleesipes IMHO it is only amplification of the original poor communication. I don't mean to critise, it's just really hard to get it right sometimes. Speaking from experience. We at Red Hat have had our share of poor public communication. 🙈

@sesivany @auser @ryanleesipes I think we can’t dismiss the entire thing as just miscommunication, and outrage amplifying that. There ARE valid causes for concern behind the stuff that’s has been explained :)

@thelinuxEXP @sesivany @ryanleesipes Not dismissing the entire thing as miscommunication but miscommunication is a very big problem in social media, specially now, and the FOSS community is not exempt of that. Everybody needs to be more aware of their behavior and try to understand and be empathetic on how things are on the perceived "opposite side" and respond accordingly.

@thelinuxEXP @sesivany @ryanleesipes In summary: Rants are not helpful feedback.

@auser @sesivany @ryanleesipes I’d counter that by: it’s not necessarily the goal to be productive, or the role of any commentator to be productive.

Ranting and criticizing without offering solutions is 100% ok, and fine. Just because we don’t have a solution, or we don’t show understanding for the 100th miscommunication doesn’t mean what we’re ranting about isn’t valid ;)

@thelinuxEXP @sesivany @ryanleesipes I don't think ranting is criticizing, or how it should be understood. Criticizing offers arguments and explanations like you did in your video. Ranting does not offer these.

BTW, I'm not directly refringir to you Nick (i like your channel a lot), but there's a thing that content creators could address more explicitly and that probably you are already aware of: How negative communications are sometimes at least part of the fuel of a successful media channel.

@auser @sesivany @ryanleesipes ah well, I guess it depends on what we call « ranting » (most people who listen to my ramblings call my stuff the weekly rant 😁) !

@thelinuxEXP @sesivany @ryanleesipes I'm sure they mean that kindly 😄

@thelinuxEXP There are definitely legitimate concerns. Imagine you have customers who type top secret information into Firefox and you learn without prior notice that ToS now requires them to license all that stuff to Mozilla and it's undercommunicated with "trust us, we are doing it in good faith".
@ryanleesipes

@thelinuxEXP @sesivany @ryanleesipes It's awesome of you to upload to PeerTube, I love that! ❤️

If it's not too much to ask, could you also post PeerTube links in your posts going forward? Because I didn't even know you did that.

@sebulon @sesivany @ryanleesipes You can follow the Peertube channel on Mastodon directly, and get a post for each video automatically ;)

@thelinuxEXP @sesivany @ryanleesipes Yes now I know and I am, thank you! Still, I think it would be great to raise awareness of PeerTube as alternative, as many (like myself) didn't even know about it.

@sesivany @thelinuxEXP @ryanleesipes Just because you have right to copy data does not mean you have right to sublicense data. So Mozilla is just violating copyrights (and claims to make other people violate copyright). That ToS is just not okay, also notice how it can change at any time. I can't believe this is even legal in most of the world.

@thelinuxEXP @ryanleesipes can we have this interview in the podcast?

@thelinuxEXP @ryanleesipes Thanks, tot was really interesting. I learned a lot from the video and the peek behind the Mozilla curtain.