THEM #Keyboards !

I'm desperate. Please help me and answer if you know

is the Enter key horizontal or vertical on #Czech and #Norwegian #laptop keyboards?

I will not buy one until I know.

#askfedi #askfediverse #internationalization #computers

@dcz

You could try searching.

https://keyshorts.com/blogs/blog/44712961-how-to-identify-laptop-keyboard-localization

@Benhm3 I'm getting conflicting results. Maybe someone actually on the ground knows.

@dcz vertical on norwegian normally afaik

@polly Is nordic different than norwegian?

@dcz Czech keyboards don't really have good standard. There is all sorts of weird stuff around.

@dcz ...for example my desktop keyboard has "J" shaped enter, and backspace as big as "G" key. Acer notebook has "7" shaped enter and backspace bigger than two "G" keys.

@dcz I presume this is about ISO vs ANSI? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#/media/File:Physical_keyboard_layouts_comparison_ANSI_ISO_KS_ABNT_JIS.png

I'd presume most european keyboards are ISO.

(I personally prefer ISO, I keep typing \ accidentally on ANSI - if I were a Windows user, that would actually be useful.)

@pavel That makes sense. All the laptop photos on alza.cz show the US International layout, but descriptions say "CZ,SK". And I have to make a decision :/

@dcz Is this for software keyboard? https://pc.bazos.cz/inzerat/180745398/lenovo-thinkpad-p15v-g3-156-r5-6650h16gb512gbfhd1rzdph.php This is what people are actually using here (note badly visible czech symbols near numbers). But my Acer has "7"-style enter, and also czech symbols. Apparanently czech layout is whatever keyboard you get + "+escrzyaie='" in the number row and few other secondary characters. Also we are QWERTZ, not QWERTY. I'd go with the Lenovo layout from bazos picture.

@pavel Not for a software keyboard; I'm considering getting a laptop for coreboot/kernel hacking and eventually turning into my main machine, with my preferred key shapes.
I assumed photos were not representative of the actual product.
https://www.alza.cz/acer-chromebook-spin-513-titanium-gray-d7255641.htm

Your hints give me a sliver of hope.

@dcz @pavel I know just a person :)
@frela

@dcz Unfortunately, from my experience… yes. Horizontal or vertical. There does not seem to be much of a consensus, e.g. the keyboard I am typing this on was iirc sold as Czech, has Czech labels and horizontal Enter. OTOH, we are supposed to be using ISO layout with vertical Enters, and another laptop I have has one (and Czech labels)…

When I was last buying my keyboard with the strict requirement it have vertical Enter (among other features), I ended up buying a German layout, that seemed to be a better bet (also by comparing pictures mostly).

@dcz (To be really explicit: I do not know much about German keyboard layouts. I only know that I successfully bought one keyboard that has the layout I wanted, nothing more.)

@ledoian For furure reference, it's quite hard to get a horizontal Enter in Germany. It's all pretty standardized here (to my detriment).

@elly @dcz @pavel Pretty much all Czech computers I have used have had J-shaped enters. Although it would absolutely make sense for there not being any standard - you absolutely could expect a manufacturer to just take whatever keyboard they have lying around (which probably would be an US keyboard, but no guarantee) and just print the háčky onto it. Might be worth it to make a special layout for that ~90 or whatever million German speakers, not so much for ~10 million Czech speakers. I mean they don't even print them only in Czech, they always have both Czech and Slovak letters on them