#pinephone hasn't seen much coverage lately, is it just me or does it seem like #linuxmobile is moving at a slow pace after the failure that was the #librem5 ?

There are some highlighted issues from scouring around the #linux mobile stuff, and that is battery life due to not enough optimization and performance that would have been classed as mid 8 years Ago, the former is a software issue while the latter is purely hardware and not one that can easily be fixed.

Thoughts?

@Dimension Purism sucked out what little oxygen there was in the room called "Linux Mobile". Fucking assholes.

@Dimension yeah it has seemed like a rough go. We're not getting good hardware, and software seems to be lagging too.

But also with arm Linux all together

@JayLittle @Dimension Not really. Just follow what's happening over at postmarketOS, Ubuntu Touch or (if you can trade proprietary bits for productization) SailfishOS!

Regarding all the mainline projects and especially GTK based UIs, I disagree with @JayLittle: Yes, lots of aspects of Purism suck badly. But: They definitely contributed a lot to the software stack that's now available to everyone and managed to get the Librem 5 to a somewhat usable state before running out of money.

@codemonkeymike @Dimension https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_5_(fairphone-fp5) 😉

Also: The overall situation with ARM Linux is getting better - some large orgs still need a push to provide binaries for their apps, but it's been way worse and with real FOSS products things are at an acceptable level.

@linmob @Dimension totally. Getting better. But we still dont have decent hardware for it. It feels like a chicken / egg problem.

@Dimension Mobile phones are hard. But take a look at Pinephone Pro and OnePlus 6....

@codemonkeymike I linked that Fairphone 5 wiki page for a reason. Yes, it's not quite there yet in terms of software support, but in my book it is decent hardware.

@linmob True.. fairphone 5 and librem sound fantastic. I think i was more talking about the lack of ARM laptops. But yeah.. Either way, I welcome a mobile linux future.

You even see the new plasma 6 put work into mobile too. So it's clearly not dead

@codemonkeymike The ARM Laptop space is stronger than ever, IMHO, also on Linux, with Asahi Linux, all the many Chromebooks and others like https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X13s_(lenovo-21bx) .

@linmob yup the x13 is the only one I know about. And even then, seemed to hear nothing about it since it came out, or what it's compatible with.

Other than that, we have what? The pinebook? That's an ok proof of concept, but not much more.

Plus the whole bios / boot situation on arm seems messy still. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited and hopeful. Just thought wed be further along by now.

@codemonkeymike @linmob do take a look at the ARM Chromebooks, many of them are supported by postmarketOS and are pretty great!

In general ARM laptops are in the early stages, but no doubt we'll see things continue to improve.

@cas @linmob I def wanna check out an arm Chromebook to Linux it. That would be awesome. Any top recommendations?

@codemonkeymike @cas Tough to say, I only have a MT8183 device (Lenovo Duet) as my main laptop M1 Air, mostly used with Asahi Fedora) is already ARM. Of the pmOS community devices, https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Acer_Chromebook_Spin_513_(google-lazor) is one I find interesting. I also very much regret having sold my ASUS C101PA, which these days has Libreboot support but appears to be effectively unobtainium.

@linmob
That's quite interesting because I once found that laptop at a local second hand store once but brushed it off as yet another ewaste product that was well beyond dated

However once I looked it up and realized the goldmine I went back and it was already gone
@codemonkeymike @cas