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jarkko

Jarkko Sakkinen

I believe that this was written by AI ;-)

The story goes like that some people use #Vim and #Emacs, and others use #IDE 's, and one should use the tools that help to get the job done.

OK, cool, who cares? I don't. Write your kernel patches with Microsoft Word if that works for you, as far as I'm concerned...

https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/09/modern-ide-vs-vim-emacs/
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troglobit@fosstodon.org

Joachim Wiberg

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@jarkko blog from 2020, nothing to see here really. The IDE idiots going on as per usual. Emacs remains the only sane way to write code. Nobody’s surprised really.

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jarkko

Jarkko Sakkinen

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@troglobit I've done a bit of graphics programming in the past also professionally, and in that field you need a GUI debugger with stepping - it is super essential asset in order to be productive. The main difference to kernel development is that instead of ugly stack dump in the logs, an error usually means either not seeing anything at all, or alternatively seeing garbage, so you need to carefully step everything from configuring display up to rendering triangles.

I do not consider anyone using IDE an idiot, it all depends on ideas and solutions :-) If some IDE helps you express cool ideas better than e.g. vim, you should probably use that then!
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jarkko

Jarkko Sakkinen

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@troglobit In a 3D engine a single matrix multiplication in wrong order can result easily viewport to be behind the camera :-) IDE really helps to go through such stuff and analysing the results...
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troglobit@fosstodon.org

Joachim Wiberg

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@jarkko obviously I disagree, but you have some points and I’m not good enough at English to put that into words. So I’ll go the other way here. Debugging is just one, albeit important aspect, but the overall development and usability aspects far outweighs that. In my opinion.

To be clear, I consider anyone using an IDE to be an idiot. I.e., lazy bum who don’t want to go the extra mile to help the community they benefited from previously to improve the world of

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troglobit@fosstodon.org

Joachim Wiberg

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@jarkko inflammatory, sure, but I stand by that 100%. So many opportunists out there.

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