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Jarkko Sakkinen

So...

Is Fedora going to move on to Hyprland any day?

#fedora #wayland #hyprland
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@jarkko Unlikely. 😃

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@Conan_Kudo I don't know much about Hyprland. Actually, I just heard about it :-)

I'm a conservative desktop user and stick to the default install. If it ain't broken, don't fix it kind of attitude :-)
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@Conan_Kudo The only change to default install is that I prefer a Terminal emulator called foot over GNOME Terminal/Console. I liked urxvt and it feels like Wayland urxvt (sort of).

https://codeberg.org/dnkl/foot
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@jarkko There is some issues with hyprland project, I doubt any distro would pick it as prominent part of the stack because of that https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-enforcement.html

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@orva I will read this with the mindset that I forget that it is from Drew. I.e. don’t let the person distract my objectivity. Still disagree with his campaign banning Jack Dorsey from FOSDEM.
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@orva Meaning that I can agree on objective arguments but Drew has no authority per se other than that in my world.
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@orva finally, I trust in Fedora Project making the right picks as I’m a desktop conservative 🙂
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@jarkko IIRC those posts about hyprland just had nice collection of quotes, reading those were enough for me

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@orva I’ll read the text word by word once back from gym 🙂 As said still yesterday this was neverheard for me
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@orva Yeah I agree number of points that Drew made, and community around project matters to me for many reasons.

I don’t think actually anyone has ever said that you cannot state a critical point of any projects code of conduct if you put your argument in civilized manner. That said, there’s a million mile distance between critical on topic argument and targeted shit trolling.

This type of behavior reminds me of what e.g. Lunduke does. He mixes reporting of facts to extremist and hateful political propaganda, and then rationalizes that by saying he is the only person reporting real facts and open source projects have stolen by the left wing. The truth is that most big projects have moderate voters with various political views, also right wing voters.

It reminds me of that because doing one thing good is and should be zeroed if you use that as vehicle to distribute a destructive message to the community.

So yeah, this time I agree with Drew based on argument.

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@orva I don't think any extremist mindset is best for the overall stability over long period time in like core projects that define the Internet ecosystem.

If that makes me a left-winger, then so be it ;-)

I.e. keep terrorists cells elsewhere, we still provide you the service, you just need to keep your dirty hands away from baking it, thank you ;-) (last one with a grain of salt, I have really bad jokes my apologies)
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@orva Also one quite technical angle that came to mind: more often than not these type of people tend to push features over having legit processes for security (CVE's etc.). In infosec ignorance towards other people is not a great quality in a person.

It's pretty much the same deal that you don't want to police officers to be crazy psychopaths :-)
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