Data privacy rules like GDPR are fueling a climate of risk aversion, slowing open data progress.
See how to break barriers in the Pathways to Open Data report: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/research/pathways-to-open-data
#OpenData #DataPrivacy #LinuxFoundationResearch

@linuxfoundation this is incredibly blatant propaganda and every time you post shit like this it reminds me how divorced the linux foundation is from linux users. the GDPR is the bare fucking minimum protocol necessary to support for citizens to be able to trust corporations for things that otherwise would have to be restricted to much more highly regulated entities like the government itself

@linuxfoundation the GDPR is a protocol negotiated with corporations by representatives of the citizens in order to give corporations the opportunity to demonstrate they can do better than resting on their laurels and extracting a monthly tithe from anyone foolish enough to do business with them

@linuxfoundation the GDPR is an example of the same opportunity and interoperability and autonomy that the linux operating system represents to its users, from red hat to linus torvalds to whomever the next linus torvalds will be who identifies a severe lack with the corporate status quo and builds something they cannot destroy. the linux kernel uses the GPL software license because in fact there are some things "open" can't buy and that is freedom

@hipsterelectron @linuxfoundation The GDPR is the compromise position. The alternative is "you don't do business with data gathered from users, ever, in any way".

@ska @hipsterelectron
The thing is, whenever @linuxfoundation takes up a position like this, people need a gentile reminder of whose interests the foundation represents:

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members

#GDPR #LinuxFoundation

@ck @hipsterelectron @linuxfoundation Oh, absolutely. And it is good to call them out whenever needed (which, unfortunately, is more and more often).

@linuxfoundation

Are you guys for real?

As in, is this account secretly run by Microsoft? I just can't believe a Linux organisation would be on the side of fucking over users and leaking all our data. Like what's the point of linux if it offers the GPL to developers but literally nothing to end users?

If I wanted my data stolen, I could use OSX and be able to use Sibelius.

So is there some way you can prove you are who you say you are?

@celesteh @linuxfoundation What do you mean by "secretly"? Microsoft is a Platinium member of the Linux Foundation among other big corporations.

Looks like Linux Foundation wants to be second Free Software Foundation.

FOSS related organisation not giving a fuck about users.

Money does not stink.

@linuxfoundation

@linuxfoundation From the report: "the employees actually kind of fight with us against the Worker’s Council, because they want their data to be seen." (page 10) Yeah, as a Works Council member I know these discussions. We have to make sure the company follows the laws, the company doesn't want to so blames us.

FTR: As far as as I can see there is no 5 person rule in the GDPR, so without further context, I find this statement to be a little extreme.

@linuxfoundation maybe @torvalds could say a word.

@linuxfoundation

is this a real account? Mastodon show the link in the bio as verified, but their account is not listed on the linked page.

The @linuxfoundation claims privacy rules like EU's #GDPR “fuel a climate of risk aversion…[that] slows open data progress”.
#Microsoft, #Zuckerberg, #Samsung, & China's #Hauwei are ⅓ of #LinuxFoundation's top-tier platinum members.
… who does #LF serve? … the people & their privacy & their right to #SoftwareFreedom … or Big Tech? 🤔
A USA 501(c)(6) org serves “common business interest” of its USA members — not #FOSS users & developers.
https://fedi.copyleft.org/@linuxfoundation@social.lfx.dev/114993371413443119
We must name the LF-ant in the room.

@bkuhn A real shame that the FSF and OSI both shit the bed so badly. Closest thing we have to a large body that represents our interests are @eff (US), @openrightsgroup (UK) and @fsfe (Europe).

@diffrentcolours

I'm obviously biased in saying so, but I admit that I'm so sad you don't list #SoftwareFreedom @conservancy <https://sfconservancy.org/> in that list.

Also, I'm not aware of any work that @eff has done on #FOSS issues (e.g., #EFF has generally not supported #copyleft.)

I agree with your other assessments. Specifically, @fsfe is doing an excellent job particularly on EU policy — #SFC being a USA entity is partnered with them on EU stuff since it's their bailiwick.

@linuxfoundation yikes.

@linuxfoundation
„The Linux Foundation chose to host a workshop on the topic of open data at the 11th meeting of the World Open Innovation Conference. Fueling interest and participation in the workshop was the rapid growth of artificial intelligence software (AI), which requires extensive amounts of data to train the algorithms that AI employs.“

Ah, that's why… 🙄

The GDPR makes it harder for citizens to become learning material of shitty parrot programs, aka "AI". That's not a bug.

I suspect surprise at this …
https://fedi.copyleft.org/@bkuhn/115010692432308881
… is b/c most don't know #LinuxFoundation has (for 10 yrs) slowly become less of a #FOSS org. LF has developed multiple proprietary platforms (e.g., https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2019/mar/13/lf-community-bridge/ ). Mike Dolan of LF is a friendly witness *for* #Vizio — a known #GPL violator (See https://sfc.ngo/vizio — we expect to release Dolan's transcript soon).

Cc: @derderwish @jwildeboer @celesteh @hipsterelectron @richlv @hrw @tobi @shine @alltherum @nirro @haui
@ikuturso

@linuxfoundation
Citation from their linked report, page 4.

@diffrentcolours @conservancy @eff @fsfe fantastic use of the word 'bailiwick', @bkuhn

Ballyhooing of arcane adages is *my* bailiwick. I could never expunge them from my lexicon — no matter the celerity of @-mentions that captiously criticize my copious pontification with esoteric verbiage.
While this is risible and enigmatic to some — for me it is an audacious archetype of abstruse frivolity.
* * *
If you prepped for a 1990-era SAT, you surely get it! Why'd we memorize these words if not to use 'em?
To: @seabass
Also, @richardfontana @josh @novalis @mjd @karen may enjoy this!

@linuxfoundation >Data privacy rules like GDPR are fueling a climate of risk aversion, slowing open data progress.
Linux Foundation, do I get your words above right: Protection of citizen's privacy and their personal information is fueling climate risk aversion and slowing open data progress? You cannot harvest personal data illegally and that is the slowdown? Sounds very evil, don't you think?

@ck @ska @hipsterelectron @linuxfoundation

wow, that's a lot of big corporations who are profiting from the work of a bunch of dedicated mostly volunteers (I'm sure some do fund foss+linux work, but I'm also sure its nowhere near the amount that they gain by shipping linux stack devices, appliances and equipment.

cough cough `curl` cough cough to name one wildly overutilized and completely underfunded example.

@tezoatlipoca @ck @hipsterelectron @linuxfoundation That has been the main problem of FOSS for decades: the funding we get is peanuts compared to the benefits these corporations make by using FOSS. It is capitalism pillaging the commons, as it does, and it would be good to restore some balance.

@bkuhn @fsfe @novalis @karen @richardfontana Didn't you once say you were dyslexic, or am I mistaken? You're awesome in any case, but perhaps you also fit my experience of dyslexic people ending up far surpassing the average with a superb vocabulary (this trait runs in my own family).

@seabass

Yes, I am mildly dyslexic, e.g. I literally see rain/reign/rein as the same word when I read them on screen. Somehow, pronunciation carries out over the spelling — I am not sure why.

I have definitely typed 'the' for 'they' on fedi & had to correct; again, the context always adds the 'y' for me w/out it being there.

Mainly, I tried get my SATs to break 1300 but never could (again due to dyslexia), but I did memorize a lotta vocab while trying!

Cc: @novalis @karen @richardfontana

@bkuhn @novalis @karen @richardfontana Yeah, I'm familiar with that because of my sister. Her handwriting is nearly illegible to anyone but herself, because she doesn't attach the spelling of a word to its sound. But her dissertation was really amazing.

It's fascinating how the mind works in different ways for different people. I'm the opposite ('hyperlexic'). I literally cannot think of anything complex without an internal dialogue, and sometimes random words and phrases pop into my mind that I'd subconsciously noticed days earlier. It's lucky I don't care for consumerism, because I'd be so susceptible to advertising!

I love my brain but it'd be nice to mind-meld if that was possible... I want to know what it's like to live without words, if only for a short time.

@seabass wrote:
> “Her handwriting is nearly illegible to anyone but herself”

I switched to a note app (Fossify Notes — #GPLv3) b/c my handwriting is, in fact, illegible to myself!). (I used to use Palm Pilot years ago for this reason.)

> “But her dissertation was really amazing.”

I wouldn't call my dissertation amazing, but I *did* have to read *every* word out loud thrice to find all errors:
https://www.ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2001/01/18/thesis-document.html
(My 1ˢᵗ-ever blog post on 2001-01-18!)

Cc: @novalis @karen @richardfontana

@bkuhn I see you also invented microblogging: https://www.ebb.org/bkuhn/articles/2001/01/09/PUP.html @seabass @novalis @karen

@bkuhn

Excellent pun

@celesteh noted “Excellent Pun” re LF-ant. I couldn't fit it in the original post due to 500 char limit on my server, but @ehashman deserves credit for it:

https://cloudisland.nz/@ehashman/114991535844884010

@linuxfoundation So, what you’re saying is that we should not have laws that protect normal people from having their data farmed in ways that would make even the stasi blush?

It’s funny in a very sad way that something called the Linux foundation is having this extremely corporate boot licking message, considering that a good share of Linux desktop users are that to get away from the corporate spying.

@krzk I'm getting weird vibes from the statements of this org. Language is very focussed on mass growth and disruption, while FOSS and Linux as a project are anything but focussed on growth.

The site also talks about community, but in a very silicon valley way, where the innovator and user/consumer are different groups. This while FOSS has the philosophy of 'together, for ourselves'.

@linuxfoundation I'm sorry, but that's just nonsense.

Privacy is important for individuals as a liberty against the state and state-like actors. Open data is something that states and state-like actors should provide to be properly, democratically controlled by the people.

Private data of invidivuals can be used with their informed consent, with the emphasis being on informed and consent. This is essential to manage risk and assure accountability.

The GDPR is the minimum safeguard.

@lbky @linuxfoundation is run by Americans and Americans have been trained to accept intrusive corporate Big Brother bullshit by the past third of a century of internet corps demanding free access to your personal deets so they can try to sell you stuff you don't need. Meanwhile, Europe still remembers what the Nazis did with all that yummy personal data their governments naively collected before WW2 … hence GDPR.

@linuxfoundation

@Juankz @linuxfoundation this is for Windows, right?

@hipsterelectron @linuxfoundation hey they edited to an even more blatant post

@SRAZKVT @linuxfoundation was looking through kernel config options all weekend and still not done and you can kind of see over time how stuff around linux ends up like this but i still think most maintainers would not at all agree with this framing

@ck
People need a gentle reminder to tell the Linux Foundation to get stuffed.

@ska @hipsterelectron @linuxfoundation

@hipsterelectron @linuxfoundation @me_ The Linux Foundation is a 501(c)(6) organization; it explicitly exists for the benefit of its members. This is in contrast to 501(c)(3) organizations, which are explicitly for the public benefit. The FreeBSD, NetBSD, and (ahem 👋🏼) Plan 9 Foundations are 501(c)(3) organizations. I am less well-versed in Canadian tax codes, but my understanding is the OpenBSD foundation is their equivalent of a (c)(3). LF is a notable outlier here.

@ska
I think that may be a bit Draconian, and cut into things that some people might actively want.

I'd prefer to just make the mass serveilance inherently unprofitable by a blanket ban on individually-targeted advertising. If nothing else that'd be easier to enforce since data harvesting can be done secretly, ad campaigns cant
@hipsterelectron @linuxfoundation

@unktheunk @ska @linuxfoundation draconian! the worst thing to be!

@unktheunk @ska @linuxfoundation draconian! the worst thing to be! cutting into things some people might want! sacre bleu!

@hipsterelectron
Let me rephrase: we never know what uses the data collection could have. More ways to make products better is good

The problem is the constant dragnet surveillance of everyone on earth. But as seen by the GDPR, direct regulation of data usage is a fucking NIGHTMARE regulate. Because of how profitable and easy to hide it is

Just gotta make it unprofitable
@ska @linuxfoundation

@unktheunk @ska @linuxfoundation i think @ska's take was advocating more that much stronger measures are not only possible but reasonable as opposed to advocating for immediately shutting down all private handling of personal data. corporations are allowed to participate in a market because the government lets them and that understanding is missing from much of the anti-GDPR rhetoric.

@unktheunk @ska @linuxfoundation as a former government employee i do agree that disincentivizing harmful behavior is the appropriate framing, where disincentivizing ranges from taxation, to fines commensurate with harm, to altogether disallowing certain behaviors including things like jail time for executives. jail time is by no means a new idea: consider the underlings like tom hayes who were sent to jail for manipulating the LIBOR upon the direct instruction of their superiors. even the harshest of disincentives needs to affect the decision makers responsible.

@unktheunk @ska @linuxfoundation i don't think direct regulation of data usage is inconceivable and i actually think it would be obviously within our grasp if tech corporations saw compliance as something to excel in the same way they excel in other forms of technical research and development. we track data flows very closely to achieve security goals—the same sort of auditing should be applicable for compliance with data regulations.