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Jarkko Sakkinen
jarkko
Things change:
1. 2025: Jack Dorsey's talk was disqualified from FOSDEM.
2. 2026: Jack Dorsey's agent tool called 'goose' is inducted as a Linux Foundation project.
1. 2025: Jack Dorsey's talk was disqualified from FOSDEM.
2. 2026: Jack Dorsey's agent tool called 'goose' is inducted as a Linux Foundation project.
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@caesarcattus no idea but the comedy writes itself i suppose :-)
Being curious I tried it and it was really bad too.
It feels weird that LF made this pick exactly. I mean traditional it's not the source code but the community around that really establishes a project and there's at least two perfectly good clients that have reached up that level (OpenCode, Pi). And both have sane non-billionaire leadership too. Goose has no mentionable community, and for better or worse nobody seems to like Jack (I don't have an opinion). It's really bad basis to build anything. For me this appears from outside more like business transaction more than anything else.
Being curious I tried it and it was really bad too.
It feels weird that LF made this pick exactly. I mean traditional it's not the source code but the community around that really establishes a project and there's at least two perfectly good clients that have reached up that level (OpenCode, Pi). And both have sane non-billionaire leadership too. Goose has no mentionable community, and for better or worse nobody seems to like Jack (I don't have an opinion). It's really bad basis to build anything. For me this appears from outside more like business transaction more than anything else.
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Caesar Cattus
caesarcattus@infosec.exchange@jarkko
That's the key. When there's a lot of money involved, things explain themselves. Or as you so aptly put it, comedy writes itself. And I think what many people don't like about Jack is precisely that there's a lot of money at stake in everything he does, and that doesn't mesh well with open source.
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Jarkko Sakkinen
jarkko
@caesarcattus @caesarcattus Yeah, I mean tool was seriously bad. Without sarcasm I can say that it is pretty much what I would expect to get with an agent harness with recognizable LLM rot. It is bad PR for LF too because this great educative example how one should not apply AI tools :-) And great example of what happens when someone not seasoned with R&D goes into AI psychosis (
When people speak how AI replacing software engineers they tend to to get that popular leader/boss meme picture. Even if you work with agents you need to have skills and understanding how to go ground from that control panel and fixup things yourself. In that sense it is pretty much the same as with human participants. I've seen people who a great developers to begin with do good stuff but the difference is that they take mold and make it shine, and not get excited about mold.
When people speak how AI replacing software engineers they tend to to get that popular leader/boss meme picture. Even if you work with agents you need to have skills and understanding how to go ground from that control panel and fixup things yourself. In that sense it is pretty much the same as with human participants. I've seen people who a great developers to begin with do good stuff but the difference is that they take mold and make it shine, and not get excited about mold.
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Caesar Cattus
caesarcattus@infosec.exchange@jarkko
Anyone can do something with AI, but not everyone can do it well. Like you said, you need to have skills. It's like using a cannon or an AK-47; you'd better know what you're doing. This AI farce is just beginning, and it doesn't seem to have gotten off to a good start. Some are already admitting that it's more expensive than having human employees, so I don't think the party will last long.
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