After annoying my very pro #Apple / #developer friend about #linux, #NixOS and my #FrameworkLaptop , he had to pick one up to play.

He kinda assumed it would be a toy compared to his M1 pro...

It's not :). Pretty cool

@codemonkeymike I’m honestly surprised because to me every other CPU compared to an M Apple CPU *is* a toy, the Framework Laptop is astonishingly great tho. How about the battery life?

@codemonkeymike even pro people don t need such power as pro m4 , this race has to end

@dottorblaster I can't speak for him. But my AMD ryzen framework gets around 9 hours real world.

Which is about what I was getting playing around with the M1 MacBook air with the same workload

@codemonkeymike legit. My girlfriend’s MacBook Pro is way better than that, it can last for days, but it’s cool at least we on the Linux side can compete at least with the Air.

I’m *really* looking forward to the ThinkPad T14s ARM when it gets decent support, also

@freechelmi right.. i mean that is kinda funny. I always laugh when fellow web devs are claiming they need such power.

I'm like.. we edit text files man..

@dottorblaster ME TOO.. I keep holding my breath waiting for the killer Linux Arm laptop..

I'm turning blue...

@dottorblaster i did inherit my wife's old M1 Air, and did the whole #asahi Linux thing on it.

And I was honestly impressed with HOW MUCH is natively running for Arm64 on linux already, with a few gaps.

But dealing with the Mac keyboard layout in linux was just awkward and frustrating

@codemonkeymike even running staging k8s on laptop does not use all power these days

But hardware companies are not ready to accept that sales will slow down 50% at least

We need better optimised software and linux is the way

@codemonkeymike I can relate, I just want a native Linux experience on my favorite laptop indeed, I have to say the MacBook is my second favorite laptop ever tho so… 😀

@codemonkeymike the biggest problem I've had with Linux on M1 is the x86 OS emulation/virtualization. Qemu is really slow at it and when your primary architecture at work is still x86, it's a limitation.
But maybe we won't even need ARM laptops. The latest generation of mobile Intel chipsets lasts 15-20h on battery for real. It is comparable to Apple M, in such benchmarks the battery life is even better.

@dottorblaster

@sesivany @codemonkeymike @dottorblaster x86 is misdesigned. ARM less so, RISC-V should be even better. Process improvements stopped -> x86 has no long term chance.

@pavel @codemonkeymike @dottorblaster it's very much possible. I plan laptop purchases in 3-year cycles and right now for the next 3 years I would still get an x86 laptop.

@sesivany @codemonkeymike @dottorblaster Yeah, we are talking more like ten year+ timeframe.

@sesivany @dottorblaster what x86 did you have to emulate?

@codemonkeymike @dottorblaster Fedora or RHEL running in virt-manager.

@sesivany if the T14s with the Snapdragon w/ Linux becomes an actual thing that would be my next laptop, I'm desperately waiting :D

@pavel @codemonkeymike