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Lorenzo Stoakes
ljs
Anti-WFH people continue to be totally unable to defend their position, waving their hands ever more vigorously, or referring to crap studies done by awful management consultancies employed by... err companies that want RTO...
WFH for jobs that permit it is obviously superior, the arguments in favour of RTO are really uncompelling and HUGELY outweighed by the negatives.
I'm yet to actually hear a compelling argument against WFH, the fact that corporations continue to push for RTO shows you how little (much) corporate behaviour relates to reality.
There's also a HUGE carbon cost for forcing people to come in. I thought we were meant to be concerned about climate change? Or do we just forget about that when bosses want to feel important?
The pandemic was the ultimate litmus test.
WFH for jobs that permit it is obviously superior, the arguments in favour of RTO are really uncompelling and HUGELY outweighed by the negatives.
I'm yet to actually hear a compelling argument against WFH, the fact that corporations continue to push for RTO shows you how little (much) corporate behaviour relates to reality.
There's also a HUGE carbon cost for forcing people to come in. I thought we were meant to be concerned about climate change? Or do we just forget about that when bosses want to feel important?
The pandemic was the ultimate litmus test.
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@ljs Looks like someone didn't work in an office with @lkundrak ... 🤣
(carbon costs are car brain bullshit. I love my commute. Sorry not sorry)
I mean yeah, most offices aren't worth returning to. Still, I'd gladly go back to what we had in 2012. 10 minute bike ride from home, lots of food kiosks around the office, and Ochutnávková Pivnice full of colleagues (plus ex-colleagues from Red Hat) just across the street. Oh and of course it wasn't an open-plan office. Did you think otherwise?
(carbon costs are car brain bullshit. I love my commute. Sorry not sorry)
I mean yeah, most offices aren't worth returning to. Still, I'd gladly go back to what we had in 2012. 10 minute bike ride from home, lots of food kiosks around the office, and Ochutnávková Pivnice full of colleagues (plus ex-colleagues from Red Hat) just across the street. Oh and of course it wasn't an open-plan office. Did you think otherwise?
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Lorenzo Stoakes
ljs
@liskin @lkundrak right, optional office attendance can be nice for various small reasons, but none of these outweigh a horrible commute + time spent, etc. for the majority.
I mean the ideal is to allow people to come to an office if they want, but wfh if they want.
If you don't have a horrible commute it's fine, I mean the London office situation is dire here for most people who aren't maniacs who love cycling in London like you 🤣
I was actually thinking of trains/tube and yes both might be electric but it ain't clean power... and if you add up the carbon cost of unnecessary travel across the country it'll be... a lot!
I mean the ideal is to allow people to come to an office if they want, but wfh if they want.
If you don't have a horrible commute it's fine, I mean the London office situation is dire here for most people who aren't maniacs who love cycling in London like you 🤣
I was actually thinking of trains/tube and yes both might be electric but it ain't clean power... and if you add up the carbon cost of unnecessary travel across the country it'll be... a lot!
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Tomáš Janoušek
liskin@genserver.social
@ljs @lkundrak London is actually dire in many other ways… It's too big and too expensive. One of the nice things of the 2012 situation was that it was a small city (400k ppl) that nevertheless had several good universities, and cost of living was cheap and so was beer. It absolutely made sense for companies to open engineering offices in there, you got good people for reasonable price, and you could actually have a nice office as well because office space wasn't ridiculously expensive like in London. And funnily enough, back then you could even comfortably commute by car if you skipped the morning/afternoon peaks. Still, most people lived close to the office and walked, biked or used public transport.
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Tomáš Janoušek
liskin@genserver.social
@ljs @lkundrak That being said, I'm actually looking forward to moving back there one day. So I'm saving money to buy a nice flat in a nice new neighborhood once they actually build one somewhere.
And then I'll go to the office again, and hopefully grab a beer with colleagues every single day, like in the good old times!
And then I'll go to the office again, and hopefully grab a beer with colleagues every single day, like in the good old times!
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Lorenzo Stoakes
ljs
@liskin @lkundrak yeah social side is the one I miss the most.
But I've built a life that doesn't rely on an office in general now, this was very different in the past actually.
I have a nice house, wife, cats, the gym, and friends I can go pint with from time to time (hey you're on that list!) and plenty of places to walk in and visit.
I'm looking forward to becoming a normal person again once the core material of the book is done and this notice period is over and I can move on with my life!
With book it's been 2 years of 100% shut in rather than the 95% shut in I am usually
But I've built a life that doesn't rely on an office in general now, this was very different in the past actually.
I have a nice house, wife, cats, the gym, and friends I can go pint with from time to time (hey you're on that list!) and plenty of places to walk in and visit.
I'm looking forward to becoming a normal person again once the core material of the book is done and this notice period is over and I can move on with my life!
With book it's been 2 years of 100% shut in rather than the 95% shut in I am usually
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Oleksandr Natalenko
oleksandr@natalenko.name
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Tomáš Janoušek
liskin@genserver.social
@oleksandr @lkundrak @ljs Yeah, but Nová Zbrojovka looks quite nice…
But yeah, Spain is nice… not sure I'd want to live there full-time, haven't quite thought about it yet. Brno is a safe bet—good for cycling, good for beer, good software jobs. Spain is much better for inline skating, but probably also way hotter during the summer. Absolutely no idea what the job situation is like, but I'm afraid the locals wouldn't speak good English (not that the locals in Brno do 🙂).
It'd be best to just retire and move to some part of Czechia which is cheap and nice for cycling and skating. Not quite there yet financially…
But yeah, Spain is nice… not sure I'd want to live there full-time, haven't quite thought about it yet. Brno is a safe bet—good for cycling, good for beer, good software jobs. Spain is much better for inline skating, but probably also way hotter during the summer. Absolutely no idea what the job situation is like, but I'm afraid the locals wouldn't speak good English (not that the locals in Brno do 🙂).
It'd be best to just retire and move to some part of Czechia which is cheap and nice for cycling and skating. Not quite there yet financially…
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Oleksandr Natalenko
oleksandr@natalenko.name
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Tomáš Janoušek
liskin@genserver.social
@oleksandr @lkundrak @ljs I meant cycling as a sport, not commuter cycling. For that, Brno is almost the worst. :-(
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Tomáš Janoušek
liskin@genserver.social
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Petr Tesarik
ptesarik@fosstodon.org@liskin @lkundrak @ljs @vbabka That's not entirely accurate. According to Czech Statistical Office, 1335 such nobodies even turned out for the last municipal elections there.
https://volby.cz/pls/kv2022/kv1111?xjazyk=CZ&xid=1&xdz=5&xnumnuts=6202&xobec=551317&xstat=0&xvyber=0
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Tomáš Janoušek
liskin@genserver.social
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HAMMER SMASHED FILESYSTEM 🇺🇦
lkundrak@metalhead.club
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