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jmorris

James Morris

"We’re writing to inform you that we intend to discontinue sending expiration notification emails. " https://letsencrypt.org/2025/01/22/ending-expiration-emails/

Understandable, but I'm guessing this will cause a lot of breakage for a while & train people to click through browser security warnings. Thoughts?
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securepaul@fosstodon.org

Paul Moore

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@jmorris Agreed. I understand why they are doing it, and I recognize that for many people email isn't a reasonable notification mechanism, but I personally am going to miss this and I worry about the impact it will have in approximately three months.

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monsieuricon

K. Ryabitsev-Prime 🍁

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@securepaul @jmorris I believe it's more like "we're tired fighting with your email providers."
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securepaul@fosstodon.org

Paul Moore

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@monsieuricon @jmorris Yeah, like I said, I understand why, but that doesn't mean I'm not sad to see it go away.

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monsieuricon

K. Ryabitsev-Prime 🍁

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@kees @securepaul @jmorris It's true that certbot will auto-renew, but things do go wrong with the process every now and again (especially if you use DNS-based proofs). So, having a "btw, your TLS cert is about to expire" email was a good last-resort measure to prevent a much worse oh-shit moment. :)
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corbet

Jonathan Corbet

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@kees @securepaul @monsieuricon @jmorris I have found them to be really useful when, for whatever reason, the automatic renewal process breaks and the cert heads toward expiration. Maybe I'm just clumsy, but I have managed to break it a time or two without noticing.

Yes, we should just have some sort of monitoring of our own ... that's gonna be happening soon ...
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securepaul@fosstodon.org

Paul Moore

Reply to @monsieuricon

@monsieuricon @kees @jmorris Yes, exactly. All of my systems happily auto-renew as expected, but there have been cases in the past where something on the system changed and auto-renew stopped working.

The emails were a nice sanity check.

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monsieuricon

K. Ryabitsev-Prime 🍁

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@corbet @kees @jmorris @securepaul Don't feel bad, it literally happened to me last week with www.kernel.org because there was a DNS record clash. ;)

(But we do have monitoring in place, so we caught it that way.)
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Anarcat@kolektiva.social

anarcat

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@corbet you have thousands of readers monitoring that site: don't worry, you'll know if your certs expire. ;)

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mcdanlj@social.makerforums.info

Michael K Johnson

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@kees @securepaul @monsieuricon @jmorris I have one server where I've done something that breaks certbot, I don't know what, and have never investigated. I just manually renew when I get the email. Lazy me.

I guess I have some debugging in my future.

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