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Krzysztof Kozlowski
krzk
In case you missed the announcement:
Both - Google/Gmail and Microsoft/Outlook - probably should be considered as evil and non-cooperative email providers.
Our decentralized workflow met reality of big monopolies caring only about themselves. Basically Google and Microsoft (lack of) response is actively impacting kernel development in a negative way.
I know this post will be ignored, so how about removing Google and Microsoft @LWN Kernel Development Statistics, so they will notice the problem?
Both - Google/Gmail and Microsoft/Outlook - probably should be considered as evil and non-cooperative email providers.
Our decentralized workflow met reality of big monopolies caring only about themselves. Basically Google and Microsoft (lack of) response is actively impacting kernel development in a negative way.
I know this post will be ignored, so how about removing Google and Microsoft @LWN Kernel Development Statistics, so they will notice the problem?
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@lwn I am in the process of migrating my @kernel.org email setup away from Gmail to Fastmail. Not because I have trouble sending email. I can send easily... the problem is people won't be able to send to me.
I already was not subscribed to most of the kernel mailing lists and used lei/public-inbox. Now I dropped remaining few and move to korgalore for these (workflows, ksummit etc): https://korgalore.docs.kernel.org/
I already was not subscribed to most of the kernel mailing lists and used lei/public-inbox. Now I dropped remaining few and move to korgalore for these (workflows, ksummit etc): https://korgalore.docs.kernel.org/
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@krzk @lwn As much as I sympathize with your unhappiness with the large email providers — since we run our own email, we've certainly had our challenges there too — manipulating the news in that way seems like the wrong approach to the problem. Doing such a thing even once would, I think, damage LWN's credibility badly.
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@ljs @lwn @corbet For specific details you would need to go to @monsieuricon rants and emails (or other kernel maintainers trying to run their own mailservers... discussed few times recently on IRC), but in overview: Google and Microsoft in order to protect their email users with lowest possible cost on their side, block entire networks without possibility to challenge or improve it by blocked mail admin. Your IP history of not-sending spam does not even matter - they will block it and don't care.
For a few days already sending emails from korg to anyone @outlook.com is blocked by Microslop.
For a few days already sending emails from korg to anyone @outlook.com is blocked by Microslop.
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@krzk @lwn @corbet @monsieuricon yeah I thought it might be that, it sucks for sure and I wish they'd not do that.
Kinda pessimistic about dealing with that, and for backup mail I'm going to have to set up a non-gmail account too which is no fun.
And ugh that outlook's doing it too.
At least we have better tooling now. I do heavily rely on lei but obviously doesn't solve everything...
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