Apparently cppreference got hacked by some rust fanboys. Jesus, this attitude is exactly the reason I'm never going to use that language.

(jk, this is only one of the reasons)

@lisyarus I take solace in the fact that the only rust jobs out there are crypto scams.

@lisyarus meh, as a fan Rust I'm here to tell you it's entirely possible to enjoy using a language without vandalizing websites or otherwise behaving like a rabid fanatic.

@lisyarus what the fuck

@lisyarus ugh, as a professional C++ developer who likes Rust and wants to use it, this is bullshit and will they please stop?

@lisyarus “the best” eh? If you don’t low key hate the programming language you currently use, I don’t believe you have enough experience in it to have an opinion

@aeva @lisyarus

My buddy does Rust at Alphabet, not crypto as far as I can tell.

But the Rustaceans annoy the shit out of him too.

@eestileib @lisyarus right, alphabet, a company that famously hires for an abundance of scruples these days

@lisyarus I still find rust appealing as a language but there's people in the community who really really put you off.

Also I secretly still love C (not so secretly)

RE: https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/lisyarus/statuses/111155519713447867

@ljs @lisyarus There are dickheads in every community. The only reason you don't find many in the C community is because there isn't really a "C community". ☹️

@liskin @lisyarus who said I haven't found any dickheads in the C community? 🤣

Rust has constant dramas in a way other languages don't appear to atm combined with the rust evangelism squad, so I really do think they're worse.

Probably largely due to a young and seemingly often rather histrionic fan base.

@ljs @lisyarus Don't judge a language by one rotten apple. Every project, whether it's a programming language, program or even general project outside IT, has bad people. It's much better to look at all the good ones. It feels bad to see people judge Rust just because they found one bad person in the community.

@thomy2000 @lisyarus by one you mean the several senior maintainers/contributors who keep on having massive public dramas? And the endless hoards who inhabit programmer forums forming the Rust Evangelical Force?

I mean if we're going to get real here, let's get real, it's not a 'one person' thing.

Again, I find the language promising, and I will probably learn it when the book is done, but the community has got some growing up to do.

@thomy2000 @ljs If only it was actually just "one".

@thomy2000 @lisyarus I think half the issue is that there are a ton of people who think doing rust stuff is holy and they are moral paragons who must tell all these fools how wrong they are about programming languagse and also their entire lives HERE IS HOW YOU RUN AN OSS PROJECT! Can I speak to you about the social ills of the world!

No dude, it's just another pogramming language, chill out.

There's always language hype cycles but the sanctimoniousness seems to be a specific rust thing.

@ljs @lisyarus Sure, it's a metaphorical 'one'. I just meant to say that the 99.99% quiet Rust enjoyers didn't do anything wrong. I also see many people interpreting hype as a bad thing. Sure there are some people that take it too far (like the one in the screenshot), but that's probably a minority. Let's also not pretend like this is a Rust problem. I seem to remember a certain well known C programmer telling a contributor to k*** himself. Haven't seen that in the Rust community tbh.

@thomy2000 @lisyarus the 99.99% who aren't senior maintainers?

It is a rust problem, currently, and denial of that fact is not helping anything

@ljs @lisyarus I just feel sad that Rust gets such a bad reputation because of a loud minority (which is what I believe everyone sees). Rust is a truly interesting language in its own ways, as is C, as is Java, and so on... Let's just try to ignore the bad folks in all these projects (and yes, there are bad people in all of them), and enjoy the language.

@ljs @lisyarus So what, just because they did something wrong, we should pretend like the entire Rust community sucks and is a bunch of assholes? I'm just saying to separate the two things. Saying "I hate Rust because some bad people" is quite rude to the other people who develop or work with Rust and didn't do anything wrong. THAT is what the original post you shared reads like, and that's a shame. Rust might have a problem, but don't hold the wrong people accountable.

@thomy2000 @lisyarus

"I still find rust appealing as a language but there's people in the community who really really put you off."

Try reading what I say when putting words in my mouth, thanks mate.

@ljs @lisyarus I wasn't talking about your post...

@ljs @lisyarus Post you SHARED, don't go around putting words in my mouth, mate.

@thomy2000 @lisyarus

Yeah ok, I'm convinced, based on this interaction I think the rust community are wonderful.

@ljs I'm sorry for the aggressive tone in the previous post. I don't think an online micro blogging platform is the right way to discuss this, as things will always end up like this. I DO still stand firmly behind my own thoughts from the experience I have had with the Rust community, but I can see how people outside the community might see things differently too. I just ask that you give it a chance at some point and form your own thoughts about it. Most people aren't like the screenshot.

@thomy2000 it's ok, text is a shit medium and tempers flare on this kind of flamewar bait stuff.

Sorry if I misinterpreted, but you came across as aggressive and I typically respond in kind (I'm a twitter exile what can I say).

I accept that not everybody is like that and I AM going to learn rust when I have the bloody time (so yeah, not for another year at least due to book), based on the object lifetime properties alone which are the bane of my existence in C++.

I just think the community needs to mature. I mean it's not like the kernel community has always had the best rep, so it's a process for all OSS projects

@ljs Great to hear, and I WILL buy your book FFS because it sounds super interesting and it will perfectly complement my other (thick) book about operating systems and Linux 🙂

@thomy2000 cheers man really appreciate the support! At the very least it should help prop up a wobbly table 😅

@ljs @thomy2000 Can I put both of books in my bag please?

Oh, I need much bigger bag...