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Lorenzo Stoakes

I find the 'death of the high street' people tiresome. They're almost as bad as 'this capitalist system which has lifted billions out of poverty and which I owe everything is utterly broken' people, but you know, not quite.

Both share a total misunderstanding of where wealth comes form. It doesn't grow on a tree waiting for a big daddy or mummy in the sky to hand out to people.

It is forged by enterprise. And enterprise lives and dies on demand, if the demand isn't there, then what? Are we supposed to fund businesses as a charity serving confused nostalgic people?

The high street in the UK is dying because it was and is largely shit, and something better came along.

Shops that offer something different/better than online will do well, those that try to sell overpriced tat in a shabby retail space making no effort are, thankfully dying.

Woolworths was a shit hole, BHS was a shit hole, sorry. And they died because people could find far better elsewhere.

It's this weird rose-tinted thing. I was born in the 80's and saw how it was pre-internet, and guys, what the fuck? 🤣
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It's like those people whining about records vs streaming.

The record shops were shit, having to pay 12.99 for 1 album was shit, tapes were shit, things are so much fucking better now.

The same for the web, jesus christ I've seen things you young people wouldn't believe... the early internet was shite, and social pre-modern filters, oh lord. LORD. You think Elon-era twatter is bad? It's nothing compared to back then.
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@ljs sorry to hear you had such a tough childhood in Devon, sir :(
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@vbabka growing up you had only oxes
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@ljs oxen, not oxes, are you sure that you you're a native speaker?
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@vbabka oh so you admit it then?

Sorry I'm not so 'close' to the oxen as you are.
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@vbabka @ljs
We here in America are quite sure that the UK doesn't count as "native speakers". :)

However, Anglo-Saxon conjugations and declinations like "oxen" are IMHO ripe for modernization, so I'll try to switch to "oxes", myself.

Oh, but "growing up you had only oxes" is a gross exaggeration -- don't forget also the stone axes and bear skins.

"jesus christ I've seen things you young people wouldn't believe" -- with apologies to Blade Runner.

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@dougmerritt @vbabka the big irony in your attempts at speaking English (clue as to where expertise lies is in the name) is that many conventions were simply what we did in the 1700's or so when we decided we couldn't be bothered to keep the original colonies, and you never updated but we did :>)

All those oxen will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
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@ljs @vbabka
Right, we're (sometimes) progressive with our politics but conservative with our language.

"All those oxen will be lost in time, like tears in rain." ‼ ‼ ❕❕

(Fun with unicode)

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@ljs remember watching garbage on MTV for straight three hours so that you catch that one metallica song

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@ljs @vbabka
Of course, history began earlier than your note.

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@ljs they also invariably blame the effect, out of town shops, rather than the cause, crazy high business rates, rents, and in-town parking costs.

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@ljs
Streaming brought entirely new issues, though. Now the availability of media is dependent on contracts not falling through, so sometimes part of your library is just unavailable. Artists are paid even less for their work than they were before, too.

Bandcamp was good, and still is for now, but their new ownership has a lot of people nervous.

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@ben_zen oh yeah 100%, and I find those aspects absolutely appalling.

Artists got screwed even on CDs, but now even worse and the internet should have been the solution for them. I didn't realise it was even worse now but I guess it figures, ugh.

But from a consumer point of view streaming was sort of inevitable.

As somebody who does music as a hobby, I watch a lot of vids about this stuff and definitely aware of it.

Some streaming services seem to be better than others, qobuz who I use seem better than the execrable fuckers at spotify.

I'm not even sure how you fix that, industries that employ people doing jobs that everybody grows up dreaming of doing tend to be HUGELY exploitative.
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