Ah yes obviously the extra paid delivery is scheduled at time when I also promised to be doing something else out of home.

ok the delivery guy has some non czech accent so he is actually willing to talk to me and adjust it somewhat as needed, amazing

@pony are you saying Czechs cannot do SERVICE? unbelievable

@oleksandr not sure, but the czpost guy who delivers the parcels here has some vaguely russian name and bit of an accent and is the only czpost employee around who appears to remotely care about doing his job

@pony @oleksandr what, but I've been assured by @lkundrak that no such people exist???

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak i mean, it mostly just manifests in the tone in which he opens the phone calls while announcing he's the postman calling (and possibly the fact he bothers to call at all)

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak wait you have a postman call you?

Actually here my local postman is great to be fair, lucky to have him, but he doesn't have my number ordinarily!

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak with parcels delivered to your home yes, most residential buildings here gave up on labeling the doorbells so it effectively replaces that

@ljs @oleksandr @pony our post lady sometimes calls, most of the time just yells at me :(

@lkundrak @oleksandr @pony satan works in mysterious ways my friend

@lkundrak @ljs @pony it's too cumbersome to put a label on our doorbell as the shape of the cell is non-standard, I do not have any measurements to print the label, the owner doesn't care much, and also I have no idea where are the keys, although I could just slap some paper over the cover instead. But what's most important, I do not wait for anyone.

@oleksandr @lkundrak @pony you live in a cell? Sir are you in prison sir?

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak just czechia

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak to be honest I love Czechia.

But everybody who lives in a country moans about it, it's the same all over the world :D

@ljs @pony @lkundrak each time she yells at you, she deserves a good slap

@pony @lkundrak @ljs suggest a better word for a place near the ring bell button where my name is supposed to be written. But yes, I also live in a cell aka studio aka super tiny apartment

@oleksandr @lkundrak @ljs i believe studio is the codeword for "doesn't meet code to be called an actual apartment"

@oleksandr @pony @lkundrak well in the UK I spent many, many years living in the UK equivalent - renting a room in a house or an apartment with others, sometimes random strangers... I do not miss these days

@lkundrak @ljs @pony ubytovací jednotka

@oleksandr @ljs @pony she certainly does but i'm afraid

@ljs @oleksandr @pony so does mail delivery

@lkundrak @ljs @oleksandr we share the street number with two adjacent houses (good old austrian system of local and street numbers) and we keep putting up increasingly desperate sign of a number != a different number above the spot the mail delivery (letters are handled differently from parcels) lady leaves the pile of lettters for those places, but it doesn't work

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak you what.

You share house numbers? WHAT?

@ljs @oleksandr @pony do you remember oleksandr being baffled by the rail and platform numbers using different system, neither of them being linear? well, then there's house numbering...

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak welcome to ex-austria

the red number is assigned to individual houses as they are built, so there is only one house number 100 in the entire Praha 1, the blue number is local to the street, you can now refer to this place by both numbers and it confuses the shit out of people sometimes

@pony @oleksandr @ljs it's like physical and virtual addresses lorenzo

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak ffs lol what

This is NEEDLESSLY complciated

@lkundrak @pony @oleksandr yes and as we both know MMUs were a mistake

@ljs @oleksandr @pony i guess you get the glimpse of how we feel about yards, pounds, ounces, inches and football fields

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak now for another funny story, a certain bank had two branch offices on the same street and one had the building number identical to the street number of the other one and it was nearly impossible to figure out to which one you are supposed to go until they closed one of them

@ljs @lkundrak @oleksandr in our defense, this system is not a czech invention but was inherited from the good old austrian empire

which also means we had over 100 years to fix it, but

@pony @oleksandr @ljs haha, there are also streets that only use odd numbers because comrades were probably too used to BASIC and thought sparse numbering is great for future expansion. the flip side is that if you get an address with an even number on such street you have no fucking idea how to where to look for it because it could be literally anywhere

@pony @oleksandr @ljs 100 years is too little time to fix the austrian empire

@lkundrak @ljs @oleksandr @pony There is some hope here. At least the pound was greatly simplified in 1971.

And no, you don't want to know why the symbol for pre-decimal pence was "d"…

@ptesarik @ljs @oleksandr @pony why
was
it
the
D

@lkundrak @ljs @oleksandr @pony It wasn't the D, it was the d. Go find out.

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak that's fucking amazing

@ptesarik @ljs @oleksandr @pony i'm afraid

@ptesarik @lkundrak @oleksandr @pony lol you troll... *tosses a sixpence*

@ljs @oleksandr @pony @lkundrak going to pay "three and six" with it? 😉

@lkundrak @ptesarik @oleksandr @pony it's pre-decimalisation money in the UK.

It makes absolutely no sense but was used for years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C2%A3sd?useskin=vector

Enjoy!

@ptesarik @ljs @oleksandr @pony oh don't act as if you weren't calling 10 czk "pětka" (a fiver)

@lkundrak @oleksandr @pony @ptesarik

@lkundrak @oleksandr @ljs one nice thing is you can use the numbering system to comparatively age buildings against each other

@ptesarik @ljs @oleksandr @pony that is another thing that you kept as a fun little reminder of the imperial times.

but that is good. the british kept the entire monarchy

@lkundrak @ptesarik @oleksandr @pony I went to Imperial College

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak yeah thanks I'd rather have actual numbers.

Then again UK has fuckeries too.

Like you have numbers, but sometimes you have house names for fuck's sake. And sometimes both.

And then you can have groupings of houses like here there's '4 xxx cottages' which happens also to be '4 xxx road'.

Then you have letters, like 2a, 2b, 2c.

And also things like 'ground floor flat'

So 'Ground floor flat B 2C Samantha House 137 Peter Drive, Abomination Town, SE7 6AB'

@lkundrak @ptesarik @ljs @oleksandr if you look at what we got instead, through the entire 20th century, you know

@ljs @oleksandr @pony @lkundrak OK, so the British are more retarded, but we hold on longer to dead traditions. Gulden (which was exactly 2 Czech crowns, hence the "fiver") was abandoned 1892.

@ljs @oleksandr @pony haha, yes
i sent a postcard to india recently and i swear to god the address was AF_INET6

@ptesarik @oleksandr @pony @lkundrak WHATTTTTT the most WHATTTTT

You take that back sir! Why we have the emp... ok no we don't any more but we have... some windswept rocks in the sea sir! YES WE DO!

@lkundrak @oleksandr @pony I think you were trolled mate.

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak i mean i would expect an average house in london to have a royal charter for their own numbering system and a representation for it in the house of lords

@ljs @oleksandr @pony @lkundrak 🍷

@pony @oleksandr @ptesarik @ljs koruna! lot more of them! of a lot less value!
🎶 working class hero is something to be 🎶

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak sadly not, it's more like an ongoing effort to try to make delivery drivers not find you.

The issue is when you get deliveries even the slightest complexity means a certain % simply won't find you or you end up giving directions on phone.

So some of these fuckeries can lead to you not getting your coffee

@ptesarik @oleksandr @pony @lkundrak Oh hail him indeed

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak sometimes i have to navigate delivery people on the phone for minutes because we have somewhat nonstandard numbering plate on the building

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak lol yeah I can imagine. It's probably easier to just always get things yourself

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak it let's me use terminology as "the house with a statue with a dick" instead though, so

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak perfect. Did you buy either of these identifying things?

@ljs @oleksandr @pony i've recently seen a document about royal mail's computerized address recognition system, and it was pretty mind blowing
like it could recognize the absolute horror of a handwriting, and the very few that can't be recognized automatically are fed back to system for training
it was a few years old, and perhaps now better and perhaps the norm nowadays, i have no idea. but it was incredible

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak it's not a great dick

@lkundrak @oleksandr @pony have you also seen the documentary about how the royal mail perpetrated one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in British history against their own employees?

Lol

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak well it is very cold there so #bekind

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak is that better or worse than the czech post that has been leaving letters to abroad in a half-abandoned railway station underpass instead of actually sending them anywhere

@ljs @oleksandr @pony miscarriage of justice?
thought it was just plain old bullying

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak well that is at least funny

@ljs @oleksandr @pony @lkundrak I want the halfcrown! That's exactly 2½ shillings.

@lkundrak @oleksandr @pony no they literally sent people to prison because they overpaid for some extremely shitty enterprise software (surprise surprise) that was a total fucking mess and it was saying 'this person stole 100,000' when it wasn't true. They also bankrupted them etc.

It's quite grim

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak unless you are among the many people who may have never gotten some personal letter or things like that because someone just stashed it in a damp tunnel

@ptesarik @oleksandr @pony @lkundrak yeah it didn't make a huge amount of sense

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak well yes but I'd rather that than go to jail, can't get a job and bankrupted because of shit software

@pony @lkundrak @oleksandr Also it is funny in the same way like that some traumatic event is darkly funny 10 years later

@ljs @oleksandr @lkundrak so i guess the good thing is we don't really trust the post to do government things so we don't let them (apart from running an entire e-gov messaging system that is also used to deliver legal documents in a binding way i suppose)

@ljs @oleksandr @pony ah, i thought they just fired them
i can't imagine output of someone's corporate software, shitty or not, could be used as an evidence in the court?
if it did, it's the justice system that needs fixing, not the postal service

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak yeah in the uk they can literally run their own police prosecutions it's fucking insane

@ljs @oleksandr @pony does the king know

@lkundrak @oleksandr @pony well the post office guys made 'on pain of perjury' statements that the software was 100% right.

Sadly none of these scumbags are likely to go to prison. The govt is now compensating + clearing people's records but it's like decades late. Mad really

@lkundrak @ljs @oleksandr as long as they deliver him the good healing crystals, i am sure he's fine with that

@pony @oleksandr @ljs *bring some horny goat weed camilla*

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak yeah sadly the royal family are into all kinds of archaic bullshit, who'd have guessed...

@pony @oleksandr @ljs *and please put on the record from those charming young ladies from birmingham*

@lkundrak @pony @oleksandr HAIL THEM

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak @ljs This is basically NAT for house addresses.

@lanodan @oleksandr @lkundrak @ljs in theory it's useful

it also has this kind of graceful degradation when only few places have street numbers, most towns don't, so you only get one number, and villages then don't even have street names, so it's just the name of the village and the number

@lkundrak @pony @oleksandr @ljs

This is Brno-specific thing: when standing at the beginning of the street, left-hand side gets odd numbers, right-hand side gets even ones.

@djasa @lkundrak @pony @oleksandr when I see a sentence that starts with 'This is a Brno-specific thing' my heart sings

@djasa @pony @oleksandr @ljs also, unaligned accesses are possible, but slower

@lkundrak @djasa @pony @oleksandr this is also the UK system btw, it kinda makes sense

@djasa @lkundrak @oleksandr @ljs how is that brno specific

@pony @oleksandr @djasa @lkundrak come on bro give them something

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak @ljs

Maybe better to say that it's not everywhere like that, after encountering some towns with non-monotonic street numbers, I stopped taking the monotonic odd-left even-right system as granted 😀

@djasa @oleksandr @lkundrak @ljs wait like where

@pony @oleksandr @djasa @ljs do the use the fibonacci sequence in devon??

@lkundrak @pony @oleksandr @djasa we do it with cows in devon

@ljs @oleksandr @pony @djasa oh no

@lkundrak @ljs @oleksandr @djasa on the rakosnickovo hriste?

@pony @oleksandr @djasa @lkundrak brings a tear to my eye

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak @ljs

Go explore this beautiful street for example 😀 https://mapy.cz/s/porasomehu

@lkundrak @pony @oleksandr @ptesarik @ljs are you quoting Manic Street Preachers sir?

@djasa @pony @oleksandr @lkundrak @ljs this system is used also in Prague for orientační numbers, does Brno have those? Or is it used for popisné numbers in Brno? Those are pretty random in my lont, yeah.

@vbabka @oleksandr @djasa @lkundrak @ljs it's exactly the same, one brno oddity is they can't count so the administrative districts are named and not numbered like good old praha 3 (since 1990)

@pony @oleksandr @lkundrak @ljs @vbabka

Brno used to have numbered I-IV administrative districts and there are still 4 tax authority branches based on those. 😂

@vbabka @oleksandr @pony @djasa sir @ljs , what is your brno number??/

@lkundrak @vbabka @oleksandr @pony @djasa 666

@ljs @oleksandr @pony @djasa @vbabka devil's claw

👑
🍷

horny goat weed

@lkundrak @oleksandr @pony @djasa @vbabka Short king shit bro

@ljs @oleksandr @pony @djasa @vbabka unsigned short king

@vbabka @oleksandr @pony @djasa @lkundrak @ljs I hate this in 🐴.

@hny @vbabka @oleksandr @pony @djasa @lkundrak ha wtf

@hny @vbabka @oleksandr @djasa @lkundrak @ljs not quite sure how you'd even number a street that is branching like this (multiple times), but apparently pardubice has not managed to introduce cislo orientacni anyway

@vbabka @pony @djasa @ljs @lkundrak 1-800-CEJL

@pony @oleksandr @djasa @lkundrak @ljs @vbabka it's just a lont with train station and airport.

@hny @oleksandr @djasa @lkundrak @ljs @vbabka they probably have more flights at that airport than brno