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Lorenzo Stoakes
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OK so I just spent quite some time going through my first mm rust patch, having written 800+ lines of documentation explicitly (in part) to help the rust people with VMA locking.
NOBODY can moan that I'm not trying to help rust in the linux kernel now :)*
* It's the internet, so obviously, people will anyway
NOBODY can moan that I'm not trying to help rust in the linux kernel now :)*
* It's the internet, so obviously, people will anyway
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I got some shit for having a nuanced view of the rust kernel drama (to be clear - I thought what happened was terrible and deplore that the guy was treated like that at the lsf I was at, though not in that session) - that what Ted said was reasonable (though I think far too reactionary tbh and not self reflective/forward looking enough), but said in a really shit way.
However at LPC Ted was literally in the rust sessions and advocating for them and supportive, as are the top guys in the kernel so, any perception that rust is 'hated' in the kernel is fucking bullshit.
That some maintainers are still resistant, yes, that there are concerns, yes, but hate? Absolutely not.
I am a supporter of the efforts myself because I like the fact that a compiler helps you be less of a fucking idiot, I will take all the help I can get.
I realise it's not perfect and probably has a ton of issues (like literally all programming languages) and won't solve everything and it's incremental and maybe never will be part of the core of the kernel, but that's because _this is real programming_ and that's what reality looks like :)
Incremental, my dear Watson.
However at LPC Ted was literally in the rust sessions and advocating for them and supportive, as are the top guys in the kernel so, any perception that rust is 'hated' in the kernel is fucking bullshit.
That some maintainers are still resistant, yes, that there are concerns, yes, but hate? Absolutely not.
I am a supporter of the efforts myself because I like the fact that a compiler helps you be less of a fucking idiot, I will take all the help I can get.
I realise it's not perfect and probably has a ton of issues (like literally all programming languages) and won't solve everything and it's incremental and maybe never will be part of the core of the kernel, but that's because _this is real programming_ and that's what reality looks like :)
Incremental, my dear Watson.
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