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Dirk: "Are you worried about bugs from LLM hallucinations getting into the kernel?" Linus: "Well I see all the bugs that come in without LLMs, and so, no I don't." (Paraphrasing the exchange)

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K. Ryabitsev 🍁

Little known fact: first kernel releases were shipped via the postal service.
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If you enjoy the hairiest of bug hunts with a thrilling conclusion, this one is for you. The hunt and hair pulling:

https://lore.kernel.org/regressions/480932026.45576726.1699374859845.JavaMail.zimbra@raptorengineeringinc.com/

and the conclusion:

https://lore.kernel.org/regressions/1105090647.48374193.1700351103830.JavaMail.zimbra@raptorengineeringinc.com/

Hats off to Timothy for seeing this one through to completion!

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K. Ryabitsev 🍁

So, you want to read LKML with Gmail (experimental, testers needed)

https://lore.kernel.org/workflows/20231115-black-partridge-of-growth-54bf2e@nitro/
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K. Ryabitsev 🍁

So many truths are hidden,
So many facts untold,
Queries left unbidden,
Concealed below the fold.

My head droops to the table,
But I must remain informed:
"Is the kernel stable?"
"How is babby formed?"
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Kees Cook (old account)

RFC for the replacing the Linux kernel driver with a fully functional version:

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20231101-rust-binder-v1-0-08ba9197f637@google.com/

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All the talks from Embedded Recipes 2023 are now online, including "The TTY Layer: the Past, Present, and Future" by @gregkh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4sZUBS57OQ&list=PLwnbCeeZfQ_Mi7gjUpLZxXGOcEBS_K8kH&index=5

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This came up in a private thread about a kernel patch review where the contents were created with an "AI" tool, so I figured I might as well put it somewhere a bit more public as people don't seem to really understand the issues involved:

My policy is that I do not take any output of any "AI" tools unless the providence of the data that was used to feed the AI tool can be proven to be under the proper copyright rules as to be compatible with the GPLv2 license.

So in other words, nothing from chatgpt at all, that's obviously full of copyrighted works that are not allowed to be reused in this manner.
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Thorsten Leemhuis (acct. 1/4)

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6.6 is out: https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=wiZuU984NWVgP4snp8sEt4Ux5Mp_pxAN5MNV9VpcGUo+A@mail.gmail.com/

"""So this last week has been pretty calm, and I have absolutely no excuses to delay the v6.6 release any more, so here it is. […] Linus"""

For an overview of new features, check out the two 6.6 merge window articles from @LWN or the Kernelnewbies summary:

https://lwn.net/Articles/942954/ and https://lwn.net/Articles/943245/

https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_6.6

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Not a tragedy: "The greatest value that foundations bring is the creation of a neutral collaboration hub for everyone participating in, and taking a dependency on, a project."

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/how-open-source-foundations-protect-the-licensing-integrity-of-open-source-projects

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https://www.centerforcybersecuritypolicy.org/insights-and-research/joint-letter-of-experts-on-cra-and-vulnerability-disclosure A good letter to the EU governments about why the CRA isn't going to be good for vulnerability disclosure as-written. It's nice to see this portion of the CRA finally getting some exposure.
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TIL there is an ISO standard for security vulnerability disclosure. First version was made final in 2014, latest version in 2018. Despite actually working in this area for 20+ years, I only now hear of this, yet can't actually see it due to crazy ISO document rules {sigh}
https://www.iso.org/standard/72311.html
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bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

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So I presented today on EU CRA, NIS2 and other initiatives to regulate code/hardware/services. One consistent piece of feedback I got is that the amount of upcoming regulation is so huge that even dedicated professionals are unable to keep track of it all. So it is not just me (or you). It is _a lot_. https://berthub.eu/one/EU%20and%20you.pdf

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Slides for my @KernelRecipes talk from yesterday for "Linux Kernel security demistified" can be found here: https://git.sr.ht/~gregkh/presentation-security and the video will be probably online sometime "soon" for those that missed the live stream.
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@davem_dokebi our godfather on stage for a sump up of netconf 2023

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A sign of DisplayPort over USB-C (external display) working with the kernel on the recently launched 5!

This wouldn't have been possible without the great work done by all the people contributing to Linux and this SoC, especially the amazing people at Linaro!

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@gregkh on stage: Demystifying the Linux kernel security process - serious things coming...

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Jonathan Corbet

So OSS Europe was an interesting experience, this year, in a way.

I did my usual talk, and started with the usual section on kernel releases. When talking about stable updates I tossed in a quick mention that six-year support from the stable team was being phased out β€” something I understood to be generally known for about the last year. Way at the end of the talk, as my last topic, I discussed at some length the stresses being felt by kernel maintainers.

@sjvn wrote an article about the talk (https://www.zdnet.com/article/long-term-support-for-linux-kernel-to-be-cut-as-maintainence-remains-under-strain/) and made a connection between the stable-policy change and the maintainer issue β€” something I had not done in the talk. It was a bit of a shift from what I said, but not a bad article overall.

Then the rest of the net filled up with other writers putting up articles that were clearly just cribbed from SJVN's piece β€” sometimes with credit, sometimes without. I'm getting emails about what a terrible idea this all is, as if I had anything to do with that decision or can somehow change it. I have, it seems, taken away everybody's six-year support, and they're not happy about it.

All because of a 30-second mention of a change that was made public something like a year ago. My 1.5 minutes of fame has given me a new appreciation for this old quote from Rusty Russell: "when a respected information source covers something where you have on-the-ground experience, the result is often to make you wonder how much fecal matter you've swallowed in areas outside your own expertise."
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