@lwn DAMON LSF/MM/BPF discussions covered by LWN! It was a productive and fantastic time! Thanks again to the conference organizers, and huge thanks to LWN for covering the discussions!

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RE: https://fedi.lwn.net/@lwn/116539161262678640

Bad things can happen if you leak pointers out of RCU read-side critical sections. What can you do about it?
https://people.kernel.org/paulmck/stupid-rcu-tricks-detecting-pointer-leaks

@Aissen
the problem regarding the broken aging system is that we fixed it legally, but people still use it everyday life. now even more confusion!

"how old are you?", "pardon, what do you mean by how old I am?"

@Aissen

OMG it's so confusing!
the korean aging system is not the only thing that's broken, cheers

@Aissen

But I'd bet anyone who doesn't do programing prefer to count from 1 anyway.

And the reason why you count from the first floor is because you don't really think of ground floor as a floor.... the first floor is a proper floor! (so it's still counting from 1)

@Aissen

OMG WHAAAAAAAT

I was going to say "NO IT'S NOT" but you are right. I don't know why we do this. I grew up with it and then everybody else doesn't use it :P

@ljs now time to fly back and sleep like a koala or panda

Typical ML argument: "If I can read something legally, why can't I train an LLM on it?"

Humans are capable of reading things and later writing a similar thing that is still a copyright violation. If I go and write a book that follows the plot line of Star Wars, that's still a copyright violation, even if no text is literally the same. If I play the melody to a song on my piano and release it without the appropriate mechanical cover license, that's also a copyright violation.

The reason this does not happen often is that, as humans, we are aware that that's plagiarism and there are rules. Sometimes it happens by accident, and people still get sued and lose.

LLMs have no such awareness and routinely output things which are blatant copyright violations when appropriately prompted. That means the model weights encode that work, and therefore, are themselves a derivative work.

Your brain encodes a massive amount of copyrighted information. You are not a walking copyright violation because humans aren't data, can't be copied and distributed en masse, have human rights, etc. This is why "mind reading machines" are a classic dystopian plot point (monetizing your thoughts etc).

An LLM is not a human, does not have human rights, nor human privileges. It is data, and if it encodes copyrighted information, that's a derivative work. If you aren't following the license of the training data, that's a copyright violation.

Using AI chatbots for even just for 10 minutes may have a shockingly negative impact on people’s ability to think and problem-solve, according to a new study from researchers at Carnegie Mellon, MIT, Oxford, and UCLA.

https://ai-project-website.github.io/AI-assistance-reduces-persistence/

it is quite confusing that the floor index start from zero here in Zagreb

@Logical_Error some people say "we're running out of data to train AI, and that's a problem. we need more data"

but no. that's not the problem. the problem is that you can't make LLMs that are experts on every single field, even after training them on all the public data.

@lkundrak @ljs so true! unsettling thoughts keep showing up when you lots of time to think

@ljs

I guess mine is a tiny complaint compared to you... even korean workholics don't work like that :'(

life sometimes forces unavoidable pain on us but it's important to keep going

I need a break, but I can't take off so just zoning out for 30 minutes

@Logical_Error yeah AI is quite a nice tool if you can review them.

But decoding the ideas behind the code from history and past discussions takes time (no matter you are human or AI)

LSF/MM/BPF preliminary schedule [1] is shared [2]. Seems there will be two DAMON topic sessions. Time to really focus on the preparation.

[2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mGEdDrWskp7Ua91jGXzquQGinorcD58DAVXhOiRp2Gg/edit?gid=1852749899#gid=1852749899
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260423-auseinander-steigen-b80ee53079a8@brauner/

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@ptesarik @axboe @ljs @vbabka @gregkh @Aissen

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@ljs @axboe @vbabka @gregkh @Aissen

funk!

@axboe @ljs @vbabka @gregkh @Aissen

oh geez, that's not adding much value to the project :/

@axboe @ljs @vbabka @gregkh @Aissen

it's really sad that people do that.
what do these people care then?