Krzysztof Kozlowski
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Kernel work related account. Other accounts of mine: @krzk@mastodon.social
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@marcan @bars One of the worst things about working in the kernel — one of the most toxic parts — is the constant stream of nastiness toward our community that comes from outside.
The kernel community is far from perfect; we have a lot of problems and we have been actively working for years (decades) to improve on them.
We are, nonetheless, a project that manages to incorporate nearly 100,000 commits per year, from over 5,000 developers, into a single code base while maintaining a level of quality that — while also certainly in need of improvement — is good enough for deployment into billions of devices.
As for the use of email...email is painful and broken, but we have found nothing better that will work at the scale we need. See https://lwn.net/Articles/702177/ from a few years back. For all its faults, email is distributed, non-proprietary, scriptable, and gives everybody the freedom to choose their tools; it is a highly inclusive solution in a way that proprietary web forges (for example) are not. Someday we'll find something better and move on with a cry of joy, but that day has not come.
Rather than crapping on the kernel community from afar, why not work with us to try to make things better?
The kernel community is far from perfect; we have a lot of problems and we have been actively working for years (decades) to improve on them.
We are, nonetheless, a project that manages to incorporate nearly 100,000 commits per year, from over 5,000 developers, into a single code base while maintaining a level of quality that — while also certainly in need of improvement — is good enough for deployment into billions of devices.
As for the use of email...email is painful and broken, but we have found nothing better that will work at the scale we need. See https://lwn.net/Articles/702177/ from a few years back. For all its faults, email is distributed, non-proprietary, scriptable, and gives everybody the freedom to choose their tools; it is a highly inclusive solution in a way that proprietary web forges (for example) are not. Someday we'll find something better and move on with a cry of joy, but that day has not come.
Rather than crapping on the kernel community from afar, why not work with us to try to make things better?
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I put together a mailing list etiquette page, in case it's useful for newbie posters.
https://subspace.kernel.org/etiquette.html
https://subspace.kernel.org/etiquette.html
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@marcan @broonie @janne That's a way to solve your use case. Might not get pass upstream review, though. DTS should represent real hardware and you created there a virtual regulator. What's more, do your devices have a SDZ supply? Probably not, so also not a true hardware representation. IOW, this is a work-around for the limitations of current OS implementation, so wearing DT maintainer hat: does not looks upstreamable.
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@janne @broonie @marcan As Janne points, reset controller framework solves this problem ("Shared resets behave similarly to clocks in the kernel clock framework. They provide reference counted deassertion..."), but, now wearing DT maintainer hat, "resets" property points to a reset controller not to a GPIO. It is something else than a reset-gpio. Representing reset-gpio as a reset controller would be an overkill and a workaround for limitations of a specific OS implementation. Thus it would not make me happy as a DT maintainer...
As far as Linux kernel is concerned, I was thinking of stuffing this feature into the GPIO lib: https://lore.kernel.org/alsa-devel/84f9f1c4-0627-4986-8160-b4ab99469b81@linaro.org/
As far as Linux kernel is concerned, I was thinking of stuffing this feature into the GPIO lib: https://lore.kernel.org/alsa-devel/84f9f1c4-0627-4986-8160-b4ab99469b81@linaro.org/
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Krzysztof Kozlowski
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What's happening in Poland around parliamentary election is beautiful! People waiting in long queues to vote, sometimes up to 1 AM. Just to vote! 73% turnout - record for Polish parliamentary elections after fall of communism. It is such a great pleasure to see the nation woken up to kick out corrupted, populist, close-minded, anti-democratic party out of their seats!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/15/poland-exit-polls-pis-party-wins-most-votes-but-opposition-coalition-possible
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/15/poland-exit-polls-pis-party-wins-most-votes-but-opposition-coalition-possible
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@vegard Why should they be separate? Probably because no one using generic kernels should ever use CIP kernel? These two worlds - so CIP customers and everyone else - should never intersect?
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@vegard I understand that. I was saying that LF is not involved here. CIP and Greg are different people. One maintains generic stable kernels, other maintain non-generic-long-term stable kernels. Why non-generic kernel should be mixed up with our generic stable kernels? Really, CIP is entirely different thing, so where's the confusing part?
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Krzysztof Kozlowski
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@vegard LF does not send any message here, thus there cannot be a confusion from recipients of its message. Greg sent a message and CIP folks sent their own. What's more CIP folks never said they can support SLTS 10yo *generic* kernel... Basically the customers of CIP SLTS are not customers of stable kernels.
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I'm proud to call Bradley Kuhn a friend and am celebrating him joining the growing community of out-and-proud FOSS leaders.
But it is a tragedy when someone is forced out.
I've watched as Eben Moglen and SFLC have abused the legal system and attacked SFC, wasting the scarce resources of one of FOSS's most important charitable nonprofits, and am devastated to learn about the personal abuse Bradley has endured.
FOSS friends: please take the time to read this. https://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2023/10/11/moglen-sflc.html
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Keep an eye on this talk for Linux Plumbers Conference 2023 - @abelvesa will be talking about how devices attached to discoverable buses on DT-based platforms need some special kind of powering up solution.
https://lpc.events/event/17/contributions/1507/
I am looking forward to it.
https://lpc.events/event/17/contributions/1507/
I am looking forward to it.
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Krzysztof Kozlowski
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@mort @rmader @agx @cassidy @cas I really have no clue to what you refer (and pasting some links to some long discussions won't help me because none of us has time to read hundreds of pages of possible discussions). For example the cut-off region (inaccessible because of physical layer covering it) for touchscreen got my review and I think it was accepted, so to what do you refer here? Please point me to specific bindings patch where DT maintainers rejected some particular idea. Otherwise I have no clue to what to respond to.
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So they made a movie about my dad ...
https://fullcirclefilm.co/
...and about a crazy kid named Trevor Kennison and how both recovered their lives after a devastating injury. I've seen it, it's definitely worth a watch. The site lists a lot of upcoming screenings (all just in North America, alas).
https://fullcirclefilm.co/
...and about a crazy kid named Trevor Kennison and how both recovered their lives after a devastating injury. I've seen it, it's definitely worth a watch. The site lists a lot of upcoming screenings (all just in North America, alas).
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@MishaalRahman News were dropped half a year ago. Nothing new was said this week. :/
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What a pleasant surprise - I am going to Plumbers! My talk about useful tool-set for fresh Linux kernel maintainers was accepted for this years Linux Plumbers Conference:
https://lpc.events/event/17/contributions/1498/
The cool part is that I will speak very early - on the second slot of the first day.
https://lpc.events/event/17/contributions/1498/
The cool part is that I will speak very early - on the second slot of the first day.
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Krzysztof Kozlowski
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@kernellogger yeah, it's not the first time news talk about stuff already known in the community...
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