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Lorenzo Stoakes

It's incredible how often on social media people complain about public replies to their public posts.
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By the way if I post publicly YOU ARE WELCOME TO REPLY.
Yes everyone.
Yes it can be negative.

Like how does this even need an explanation. If I don't like it I might reply negatively back at you or block or mute you, that's my right, your right too.

If you don't like my stuff you can do the same. It's how it works...
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Not just talking about the random who said I looked fucking great (and swole) in my profile pic but also big and small tech commentators who apparently don't like it when people interact with them speaking publicly.

Get your head out of your fucking arse guys. Public means public.
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I also go out of my way NOT TO TALK about stuff in other venues behind people's backs.

Like there's stuff that's pissed me off on-list but I don't talk about it here as it's NOT FAIR for me to, as I'm then criticising them behind their back to randoms on here.

I've felt tempted to in moments of deep annoyance but have managed to avoid and will continue to.

I also don't share private stuff or anything people ask me to keep confidential.

I try to say everything direct to people and would say face-to-face within being punched in the face distance - it's a principle of mine.

Nobody forces you to be on social media...

And I've taken a break before when I've needed to and got too wound up.

The people who've annoyed me the most are those with MASSIVE followings on here who then go on about people behind their backs, or those who are publicly 'nice' but utter shits behind the scenes.

Honestly people, integrity. Come on.
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@ljs In the very early days of social media it was often used as basically a journal so, overtime it's shifted to be this perfect view of people's lives. It's always weird to get a glimpse back at the way things used to be.

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@BrodieOnLinux ah yeah the old 'what I had for breakfast' thing on twitter (early days) :>)

Yeah I mean back in the back in the day it was so utterly unmoderated that the norm would be people saying the most outrageous possible stupid thing often just to get a reaction.

But I think people have become more keenly aware of how _public_ it is in a negative way - oh I had better project some version of myself I want people to see, and I am upset when anybody interacts in a way that spoils that.

Fuck that, be real. Jesus Christ.

Also those who are hugely fake but get big followings get big followings of superficial people, and that is just yeah. Why?
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@BrodieOnLinux don't get me wrong, having seen how things were 'back in the day' without the rose-tinted glasses so many had having proper moderation now IS A GREAT THING.

Early days twitter let alone 90's or early 00's forums were... not good. The old youtube comments. My God.

But obviously the fakeness is a really not good thing.
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@ljs I don't think it's even possible to have a perfect middle ground, I'm not of the camp that social media in its entirety is a detriment to society but I can certainly sympathize with the idea and it's probably a good idea if we all use it just a little bit less

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@ljs Lorenzo saying stuff to people face to face
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@vbabka yeah you do have to wait a second for me to get the ladder usually
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@BrodieOnLinux yeah I've gone from thinking it's pure evil to it being a social good and everything in between.

My problem is I love shitposting so much that I can't really stop myself.

But I own it I am what I am. Means I can't complain TOO much when I get into various dramas and arguments (I mean I do complain, a lot but I at least ack it is part of it).

But I reserve the right to take a break from time to time also.
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Lorenzo Stoakes

Edited 24 days ago
@BrodieOnLinux One thing I've noticed about fedi is that people don't like to argue on here, they'll post some outrageous shit, then not engage if you call it out quite often.

It's a bit too pompous on here sometimes "oh we're much better here" vibes. Reminds me of hacker news prior to it becoming such a shit show and parody of itself that people couldn't quite fully get away with that one any more
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@theexplorographer block, mute or ignore bro.

Things will change, more people will come here. It always happens if anything is successful, then the early 'ah this is much nicer' will go and mod tools become more important.

Obviously twatter is so fucking far gone that site is beyond recovery though.
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@theexplorographer I see you have rules in your profile, cool - exactly - you get to decide how you want to interact, 'if you're a dick you're gone' sounds fine to me :)
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@ljs

(sidetrack – also a phase in the early 2000s of companies getting upset that someone »linked« to their page)

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@ljs I've seen it happen so often that it's unreal.

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@ljs@social.kernel.org @BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social YouTube also had a sort of community for a while. Reply videos, groups, etc. existed, and commenters would be frequent.

This aspect would go out the window in order to make the site appeal to the MrBeast types (and a leaked document from his group showed that his entire business model was chasing fame and views at any cost possible).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c26lQQ1NTe0

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@ljs sorry sir I won't post double sized Lorenzo on social media again 😉
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@ljs @theexplorographer this whole discussion would be much better if the a trainer platform offered better reply controls to the posters. Blocking &c only fix one side of the interaction.

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@ljs but i would miss you if i blocked you

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@ljs I was at an event a couple of days ago and one of the panels briefly discussed how freedom of speech is changing into freedom _from_ speech in public perception

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