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pavel

Pavel Machek

2GB RAM should be enough for everybody

Is it expected that x86-64 machine with 2GB RAM is not usable even for very basic browsing? I expected to be able to have two tabs with idnes.cz open. Currently it is running Debian 12, 64-bit, Gnome, Firefox, swap on MMC. What should I try first? Ad blocker? 32-bit distro? Mate? Chromium? Swap to zram? Something else I forgot?
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ozzelot@mstdn.social

Ozzelot anarchy linux

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@pavel A purely text browser () or going back to 10+ years ago, I think.

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pavel

Pavel Machek

Reply to @ljs
@ljs This is Thinkpad Tablet 10. RAM is not expandable. I'm still using Thinkpad X60 with 3GB RAM, and is usable for basic browsing...
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ljs

Reply to @pavel
@pavel ok I'm out of ideas
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ptesarik@fosstodon.org

Petr Tesarik

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@ljs @pavel says an expert on mm 🤔

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ljs

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@ptesarik @pavel I serve big RAM what do you expect?
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ptesarik@fosstodon.org

Petr Tesarik

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@pavel @ljs not expandable? is that a limitation of the chipset, or are you merely afraid of soldering?

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ljs

Reply to @ptesarik@fosstodon.org
@ptesarik @pavel he's probably also afraid of

1. Drilling a hole into his skull
2. Emptying out the useless matter inside
3. Pouring pond water in
4. Putting a fish into his newly acquired #skowl

So there's little hope he'll melt his tablet to install some new ram
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lkundrak@metalhead.club

HAMMER SMASHED FILESYSTEM 🇺🇦

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@ljs @pavel are you kidding? who's gonna manage it?

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ljs

Reply to @lkundrak@metalhead.club
@lkundrak @pavel me and @vbabka we're very very competent promise
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lkundrak@metalhead.club

HAMMER SMASHED FILESYSTEM 🇺🇦

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@ljs @ptesarik @pavel on top of it: more ram means more page tables, more table mean less ram, therefore more ram means less ram *demented shriek*
*brachiates away*

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ptesarik@fosstodon.org

Petr Tesarik

Reply to @lkundrak@metalhead.club

@lkundrak @ljs @pavel oh, that reminds me: once I get rid of memory zones, my next plan is implementing a senile memory manager

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lkundrak@metalhead.club

HAMMER SMASHED FILESYSTEM 🇺🇦

Reply to @ptesarik@fosstodon.org

@ptesarik @ljs @pavel did you need a reminder because your memory is not great?

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ptesarik@fosstodon.org

Petr Tesarik

Reply to @lkundrak@metalhead.club

@lkundrak @ljs @pavel it's a UX improvement: make computers more like their users

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ljs

Reply to @lkundrak@metalhead.club
@lkundrak @ptesarik @pavel he doesn't want zones because he can't remember all 3 of them
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ptesarik@fosstodon.org

Petr Tesarik

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@ljs @lkundrak @pavel you nailed it!

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pavel

Pavel Machek

Reply to @ozzelot@mstdn.social
@ozzelot Hmm. No, that should not be needed. I tried Chromium under Gnome, got "not responding, force quit?". Chromium under MATE is not great, but usable. So far it looks like problem is Gnome (on Wayland?).
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aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

Aaro Koskinen

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@pavel Are you sure the bottleneck is RAM instead of slow disk I/O? I'm running Firefox on 1GB RPi, and the problem was it's constantly caching/doing disk I/O. The workaround is disabling caching and moving ~/.mozilla and ~/.cache/whatever under tmpfs.

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oleksandr@natalenko.name

Oleksandr Natalenko, MSE

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@ljs @ptesarik @pavel By improving -mm you play on the "just slap more RAM" side. Don't improve -mm, let the software be slim instead because of necessity.

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ljs

Reply to @oleksandr@natalenko.name
@oleksandr @ptesarik @pavel lol who told you I _improve_ mm?
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oleksandr@natalenko.name

Oleksandr Natalenko, MSE

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@ljs @ptesarik @pavel Your mummanager.

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ljs

Reply to @oleksandr@natalenko.name
@oleksandr @ptesarik @pavel weirdly only mumzi says I'm nice, nobody else, weird!
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pavel

Pavel Machek

Reply to @aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org
@aakoskin Pretty sure, yes. It looks like Gnome + web browser does not fit into 2GB.
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