@alerque I'm mostly looking at things from operating systems and alike side and I have total buy-in uapi and drivers side because merits are really something I count (i.e. preventing subcategories of exploits thanks to compiler) but the "core" side of the equation is totally alien to me. Sorry, totally off-topic but just writing these down merely as remarks.

@alerque And also sort of might be a bit harsh and controversial to say this but when there's big noise about a new language feature (which in the end means zero value at least at its epoch) I just think "when are these language features going to end". I mean on C side in kernel we were before like C89 + gnu extensions and now I suppose we are like C11 standard('ish).

This rapidness might work for user space but especially for core kernel features feels a bit brutal to say the least...

I'm actually just opening my views because in LKML I see "yes Rust" and "please no Rust" so trying to address "in-between-but-doubtful-of-Rust" camp's concerns :-)

@alerque Actually (and this is literal fact) before I did one day cargo install bat, I had an alias for along the lines of cat <file> | vim -R - sort of thing so it was literally just way to shortcut that and not much else.

The way Rust community looks at a “change” is sort of “this would nicer way to do this”. The way kernel community looks at a “change” is more like “we have this alarming situation that we need to absolutely deal with right here an right now or data centers or whatnot will be doomed”.

And even my fav language C is in the end for me an opcode generator, not more or less. Rust is yet another opcode generator with static analysis built-in. I just vote for the tech first and totally disregard “language level” kind of merits. What works the stuff that goes best to the cores best WFM me best in the end :-)

@monsieuricon well deserved. i mean you've done extra-ordinary work with tooling that really makes the world a better place :-)

Just to prove that not all mail we get is odd or threatening.

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@alerque starship.rs is a good example on how to engineer properly with rust, as it solves an actual problem: how to remove overhead from shell prompt. i.e. not "here's my own incompatible version" :-) i've been totally committed end user for a number of years now...

it actually does the opposite: it improves compatibility because e.g. the same prompt translates from something like bash to something like powershell.

@alerque well that's exactly what engineers do. other way around is sort moving responsibility to the user by breaking backwards compatibility :-) Almost anything can be refactored and refined. It takes time and is difficult but it is optimal for the users.

For instance, I like that bat has syntax highlighting but I would scrape it any day if GNU's version added the same feature, and I would not tbh care if it was implemented in Rust or not. This sort of culture drives to loose commitment and saturated software ecosystem,.

This article really never gets old: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-never-do-part-i/

LOL, took year after grabbing #kilohearts #phaseplant to realize how take pitch tracking away from sampler: set harmonics to zero.

i like to phase plant as a replacement for one shot sample player because a sound can be mixed fully within a plugin which makes stuff easy to translate between projects and even #DAW's. you get nicely self-contained packages from #preset's. it provides measurable value over using stock plugins this way.

also one thing that is IMHO done better in any other synth i'm aware is preset management as you can easily configure additional directories, which can be e.g. in dropbox.

they've really thought of these boring file management aspects, which make it one of the best options for being a go-to synth.

cool my #riscv #keystone page table bootstrapping fixes for #cva6 are all merged to upstream. i debugged the issues over a month so nice to see that it was worth it. actually learning how #opensbi is implemented was in all cases definitely a good lesson to learn.

Sat going to #Rust #Finland #meetup in #Tampere: https://www.meetup.com/finland-rust-meetup/ #rustlang

In 99,999% of cases it would be better if people would work out with existing and established open source communities to enable #Rust rather than making their "better" completely new version of any possible asset.

It is slow, tedious, complicated and sometimes even quite discouraging but if you are successful then you are also doing something of high measurable value. And by going through the long and hard path also the end users will get the governance of long-term support, which they IMHO deserve.

At least for me the end user is the king of the hill, not developers. We need to do the hard and nasty part.

#rustlang #opensource

Today, on January 11th, we have to remember who died #OTD in 2013: Aaron Swartz

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We must never forget him and his contributions to our world forever - especially due to circumstances of injustice and the cause he became a martyr for.

@oldladyplays the point of failure in my case was the web version of https://novationmusic.com/components which works perfectly in chrome. possibly could give a shot a ff if webmidi has since been fixed.

i just put this because it is not really literal truth that google has somehow "failed". google has not failed more than any other browser vendor.

@oldladyplays tbh, i have had the same experience you described with both browsers and that sort of defines when i switch to the other. some important site completely fails to work. right now i'm on chrome as firefox webmidi support was broken last time i was on firefox. so i do not see obvious "great" in the browser arena...

only locked in constraint is that i don't touch derivatives because upstream gets e.g. security fixes fastest.

GoogleFinance gives let's say EUR-USD ratio for a given date and stuff like that...

Hmm... Does any of the standalone spreadsheets, such as #LibreOffice Calc, have equivalent to excellent #GoogleFinance function in Google Sheets? While at #Intel I used that to fill my tax reports and some of my co-workers used my "app" too but I've lost in since...

I'd rather redo it in standalone spreadsheet rather than browser...

Cubasis is unlikely contender for this but maybe something like https://www.beepstreet.com/ios/drambo could possibly realize this. My all time fav on mobile in Caustic but it is pretty much dead project unfortunately... still the best music software made ever made for phone tho ;-)

I hope a mobile #DAW such as Cubasis would take on #dawproject format. That would be a kller app for me at least or truly useful application other than compatibility. I.e. easy way to draft stuff on phone or tablet, and then move it seamlessly to desktop. On desktop it is supported by #Bitwig, #StudioONE and #Reaper (last one through ProjectConverter).

@josh @thisweekinrust @rust @clarfonthey the main reason i like to use kernel mastodon is that it self-governs my social media behaviour. i consider everything that i post and comment against CoC as I would in LKML :-) bit off-topic from the discussion, but i could see the point in such domain if you ought to keep your social media semiprofessional and on topic...

@brauner interesting but not too surprising. like e.g. for almost any possible way you could ever possibly think of exchanging key material between peers or groups, there's some company with a patent. i'd expect that if i have anything with at minimum two code blocks, there's an entity with a patent for that.

there's a place for software patents, when it is like an actual invention but for most part they're nonsense. good example of such might be marching cubes algorithm for instance, for which autodesk held patent up until 2005 (imho rightfully so)...