Greg K-H
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@juliank @wagi Yes, they do (for newer versions of Android), but the issue is that the upstream kernel stops supporting kernel versions.
So should Google attempt to support kernel versions for many years all on their own? That's up to them but it's something I would never advise them to do as that's an unwise and thankless task.
The companies that should be doing this are the chip OEMs that provide the hacked-up SoC kernels to the vendors. They are the ones that actually got paid for that kernel and support from the vendor. But they know they too can't even attempt to do that as they refuse to do it today.
So the only real solution is to jump to a newer kernel version. That is something the SoC vendors, and Google can support and do today.
Again, it's just one more package to update, not anything magic or scary about the kernel here.
So should Google attempt to support kernel versions for many years all on their own? That's up to them but it's something I would never advise them to do as that's an unwise and thankless task.
The companies that should be doing this are the chip OEMs that provide the hacked-up SoC kernels to the vendors. They are the ones that actually got paid for that kernel and support from the vendor. But they know they too can't even attempt to do that as they refuse to do it today.
So the only real solution is to jump to a newer kernel version. That is something the SoC vendors, and Google can support and do today.
Again, it's just one more package to update, not anything magic or scary about the kernel here.
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@wagi Yes, the 5 year period starts _much_ later than what almost all Android companies currently feel they need to support, which again, is going to force them to have to update their kernel to a new version to stay in compliance as there will not be a secure/supported kernel that lives that long (and no Android vendor can actually do it on their own from what I have seen and heard from them.)
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The new EU regulation requiring longer "full support" (5 years) for mobile devices is going to be fun!
Companies will have to update their kernel to a newer version over the lifespan of the device in order to stay in compliance.
As I heard recently in a meeting with one Android vendor, "Android updates consist of over 2000 programs updated to the latest version, what's so hard about adding 1 more to it?"
So if the requirement from Android to have a 6 year supported kernel version is now gone, maybe we don't have to do it upstream either? That will make so many people very happy.
Also, Apple has been doing this for a long time for their devices, why do people feel it is somehow impossible? :)
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12797-Designing-mobile-phones-and-tablets-to-be-sustainable-ecodesign_en
Companies will have to update their kernel to a newer version over the lifespan of the device in order to stay in compliance.
As I heard recently in a meeting with one Android vendor, "Android updates consist of over 2000 programs updated to the latest version, what's so hard about adding 1 more to it?"
So if the requirement from Android to have a 6 year supported kernel version is now gone, maybe we don't have to do it upstream either? That will make so many people very happy.
Also, Apple has been doing this for a long time for their devices, why do people feel it is somehow impossible? :)
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12797-Designing-mobile-phones-and-tablets-to-be-sustainable-ecodesign_en
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@never_released They have had 6 years to plan for this, it is not like this is a surprise. If it is, you need to not use those HW vendors at all as they have no idea what they are doing...
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gregkh
The 4.9.y kernel is finally end-of-life, it is gone from the tracking board.
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@monsieuricon This is the second time this has happened, first time it broke all of my scripts that I used to generate these messes...
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Me: nobody sends more than 999 patches in a series, so let's "\d{1,3}/\d{1,3}"
@gregkh: [PATCH 6.1 0000/1146]
@gregkh: [PATCH 6.1 0000/1146]
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