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@Aissen @kernellogger Based on what I see today, in the wild, almost no one is actually using the old LTS kernels we provide today. So I really doubt this is going to change anything.
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@Aissen @kernellogger The LTS kernels are not going away, please use them. It's just that you can not expect them to live for "forever".

The simplest solution is for you to demand support for your SoC and devices upstream, that gets rid of the issue of what kernel you are forced to use immediately. We did that decades ago for the "Enterprise" Linux market, and all of the problems of "we are stuck on this old kernel because the vendor never forward ported their code" instantly went away.
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@Aissen @kernellogger You have that system today!
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re: embedded world #ew2023
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@arnd Odd, why doesn't any of those companies actually talk to me about this? That's the reason they are being shortened, no one is communicating anything to me.
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@bert_hubert My big problem is, who defines "known"?

With our without "exploitable" the main issue seems to be ignored whereby the EU will have to spin up a European version of what China and the US attempt to do with their vulnerability tracking efforts, despite them failing horribly for open source software.

I think the phrase I'm looking for is, "Ik zie beren op de weg", right?
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Me: we have 50TB on our backend storage system that stores kernel tarballs, so this should be plenty for the next 5+ years.
@gregkh: challenge accepted!
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You get a stable kernel release, and you get a stable kernel release, and you get a stable kernel release!

Hopefully things now settle down to the normal constant crazy pace we are used to (1-2 releases a week), instead of the mass of releases we had in the past few days.
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@kernellogger Famous last words, yet-another 5.15.y release is now out as well.
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@kernellogger Now finished with the rest, it's been an "interesting" Saturday... Everyone go update!
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@killyourfm Just a short note, your recent #mixtape playlists have been the soundtrack for my recent kernel development and release work for the past few weeks, great work! Many thanks for sharing them!
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@fiee That works too, like perl, there's more than one way to do it!
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"The magic to remember is type [ESC]ZZ to save and exit."
"Yes that is an odd set of things to remember."
"I don't know, historical reasons."
"Yes, graphical editors are prettier, but sometimes you will have to use this."

Parents, don't forget to have the uncomfortable conversation with your children about vim _before_ they leave for college and are exposed to the siren-call of vscode.
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@ignacio I have no idea how Ubuntu does anything, go ask them how they determine what is to be added to those old and obsolete kernel versions. You're paying them for that support, so you deserve to know how it is managed. Good luck!
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@ignacio No public ones that I know of sorry. Ask your favorite Android/Cloud/Distro vendor for what they use if you are curious. Otherwise, just don't worry about it and always use the latest stable kernel releases and you will be fine.
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@kernellogger Because we moved the date to be further away? So should that be "push back"? "move back"? I don't know, time is hard :)
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@kees Android and EU regulations.
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Turns out almost no one uses extra-long LTS kernels, so let's slowly unwind from that interesting experiment:

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/docs/kernel/website.git/commit/?id=5cca06606a7dcb2a0a6b6a818072b81b21287b3b
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@killyourfm @pnpnerd @elementary @thunderbird Send patches or bug reports, that's more than enough.
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