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Linux kernel mm contributor, kernel/systems developer, writing a book about mm.

C/C++/(rust at some point!)

Book - https://linuxmemory.org/
Me - https://ljs.io/
Music - https://soundcloud.com/distal_music/

Arsenal fan, cat maniac, synth experimentalist. Brit.

Opinions are all my own and represent nobody else.

Lorenzo Stoakes

Just hit over 1,200 pages :) We are now in the end stages for the 1st draft of the book.
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@liskin @lkundrak yeah social side is the one I miss the most.

But I've built a life that doesn't rely on an office in general now, this was very different in the past actually.

I have a nice house, wife, cats, the gym, and friends I can go pint with from time to time (hey you're on that list!) and plenty of places to walk in and visit.

I'm looking forward to becoming a normal person again once the core material of the book is done and this notice period is over and I can move on with my life!

With book it's been 2 years of 100% shut in rather than the 95% shut in I am usually
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@liskin @lkundrak right, optional office attendance can be nice for various small reasons, but none of these outweigh a horrible commute + time spent, etc. for the majority.

I mean the ideal is to allow people to come to an office if they want, but wfh if they want.

If you don't have a horrible commute it's fine, I mean the London office situation is dire here for most people who aren't maniacs who love cycling in London like you 🤣

I was actually thinking of trains/tube and yes both might be electric but it ain't clean power... and if you add up the carbon cost of unnecessary travel across the country it'll be... a lot!
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Lorenzo Stoakes

Going to go ham on the swap chapter this long weekend (public hol on mon in UK).

Really, really need to finish this damn book soon haha (sanity slowly slipping away).

It's been a couple years of (really) hard work and even though I went to imperial so am used to being smashed down into the ground like those skulls in terminator 2, there are limits even to that...
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Lorenzo Stoakes

Linus was a serpent in a previous life. And this one!
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Kinda crazy that artificial intelligence needs the entire output of a nuclear reactor but actual intelligence can run on Twix bars and cocaine, for example.

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@gnomon @corbet he writes wonderfully well! As do other contributors. I am jealous, as my writing is never as good...
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@obrhoff ok gave you a chance to defend the position or answer my specific questions, you can't (obviously), and I can't fucking stand 'I would appreciate it if you could' passive aggressive stuff, so I'll save you the trouble and block you myself.

Try to learn from this...
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Lorenzo Stoakes

Takes seen on masto recently:

- wfh caused google layoffs
- there's no such thing as talent in programming

If it wasn't for @ptesarik 's excellent shit post today I'd despair
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It's important though to consider the 'null' position - if somebody advocates for X and it is weak like this, but not-X is also unevidenced or weak, then you can be sure of neither, and are better off going back to first principles and applying the principle of 'strong claims require strong evidence'.

One way people can bullshit is by deciding X is true, and getting you to argue against it, for which you might not be able to find a argument. But if X has no basis then not-X is the more sensible position.

TL;DR: Bullshitters have a million techniques to lie...
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Lorenzo Stoakes

A good rule of thumb for detecting whether something is evidenced/sensible or not is whether advocates can provide SPECIFIC and rational arguments for their beliefs.

If they hand wave, give generalisations + isolated examples, they're probably bullshitting.
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@obrhoff You are making a very strong statement where you say wfh is directly leading to layoffs. I'm sorry, but it's a bit rich to (patronisingly) tone police when somebody calls you out on something that strong.

Anyway, obviously feel free to mute/block if you like. I am being firm but polite here, and I'm not going to filter myself beyond being generally civil.

Anyway I understand what you're saying, I specifically asked you a question as to whether you genuinely believe companies were NOT outsourcing before because of the perceived benefits of RTO?

Because the cost difference is REALLY huge. It just doesn't pass the smell test.

Also you haven't considered whether the staff in remote locales are required to attend the office or not (I have a feeling they might well be).
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Lorenzo Stoakes

Anti-WFH people continue to be totally unable to defend their position, waving their hands ever more vigorously, or referring to crap studies done by awful management consultancies employed by... err companies that want RTO...

WFH for jobs that permit it is obviously superior, the arguments in favour of RTO are really uncompelling and HUGELY outweighed by the negatives.

I'm yet to actually hear a compelling argument against WFH, the fact that corporations continue to push for RTO shows you how little (much) corporate behaviour relates to reality.

There's also a HUGE carbon cost for forcing people to come in. I thought we were meant to be concerned about climate change? Or do we just forget about that when bosses want to feel important?

The pandemic was the ultimate litmus test.
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@mcepl @GrayGooGirl @obrhoff blaming layoffs on wfh is just an incredible take. I think maybe the worst one I've seen yet from a (presumably) rto advocate.

EDIT: Tone policeman claims he is a WFH advocate so correction on that 'presumably'...
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@obrhoff this is a completely ridiculous take and obviously untrue.

Do you really, genuinely think that companies hire in expensive locales for marginal benefits of them coming into an office? Seriously?

"let's pay 10x the price for staff + office space because face to face meetings are <3"

I mean, I really need to hear you defend this position because I can't quite believe this is what you actually believe?
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@jarkko ah mate you absolute legend! It is SO good for mental health. It'll become routine soon. And then you'll miss it if you don't do it!
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@oleksandr @vbabka yeah and dug up and reanimated
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